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    Ahl Al-Bait, Ummahat Al-Mu'minin (The Prophets Family)

    Ahl Al-Bait, Ummahat Al-Mu'minin (The Prophets Family)



    [Excerpt from the book 'Aqeedatu Waasitiyah' (Creed of the Middle Path)] by Ibn Taymiyyah



    Ahl as-Sunnah should love the Prophet's family, give them support, and honor the Prophet's will in regard to them, as he said at Ghadir al-Khum: "I ask you by Allah to take care of my family I ask you by Allah to take care of my family." (Muslim)



    [The Prophet] (peace be upon him) said to his uncle al-Abbas when he complained to him that some men of Quraysh resent Banu Hashim (the Prophet's clan): "By (Allah) in Whose Hands my soul is! They will never be believers until they love you for the sake of my relationship to you." (Reported by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal and others)



    The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "Indeed, Allah chose the sons of isma'il, and from them He chose Kinanah, and from Kinanah He chose Quraysh, and from Quraysh he chose Banu Hashim, and from Banu Hashim He chose me." (Reported by Muslim and Ibn Hanbal)


    'Ummahat Al-Mu'minin (The Prophets Wives)



    [Ahl as-Sunnah] should give support to the wives of the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him), the Mothers of the Believers, and they should believe that they will be his wives in the Hereafter, especially Khadijah (may Allah be pleased with her) the mother of most of his children, and the first person to believe in him and give him support, and he respected her very highly.

    And [A'ishah], as-Siddiqah, the daughter of [Abu Bakr] as-Siddiq (may Allah be pleased with her and her father), of whom the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "Aa'ishah's superiority over women is like the superiority of ath-Tharid (a dish of sopped bread, meat and broth) over the rest of the food." (Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim)



    [Ahl as-Sunnah] should forsake the Rawafid (shiite) doctrine, those who hate the Prophet's Companions and revile them.

    They should forsake the Nawasib1 doctrine (those who harm the Prophet's Family verbally or actually).


    Footnotes



    1. Nawasib is a group of people who do not like 'Ali or his family; they are the counterpart of the Rawafid.



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    Re: Ahl Al-Bait, Ummahat Al-Mu'minin (The Prophets Family)

    A SCIENTIFIC DIALOGUE

    The Tat'heer ( purification ) verse AND Ahaadeeth of Kisa'a (veil) By Muhammad Al-khider

    Allah Almighty says in the Holy Qur'ân : “And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former times of ignorance: and establish regular prayer, and give regular charity, and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye members of the family, and to make you pure and spotless.” Qur'ân 33 : 33

    It was narrated by ‘Aisha ( May Allah be pleased with her) that the Messenger of Allah sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam once went out in the morning suspending a cloth over his hair; When he saw Al-Hasan ibn ‘Ali appearing, he hid it ,then came Hussein and entered with him. When ‘Ali and his spouse Fatimah came, he hid it and said:

    “ And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye members of the family, and to make you pure and spotless.” Qur'ân 33 : 33

    The Shi’ite adherents claim that all members of the household of the Prophet and their posterity are infallible. And thus, it is a must to obey them.; For they deserve to be Imams. They do support their claim categorically with the above mentioned Qur'ânic verse and the Prophetic Tradition. How true is their claim?

    Commentary:

    Indeed the purification verse was revealed in favor of the Prophet’s wives, as God Almighty stated in the Holy Qur’an:

    “ O consorts of the Prophet! You are not like any of the (other) women. If you do fear (Allah), be not too complaisant of speech, lest one in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire: but speak ye a speech (that is) just.”

    “ And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former times of ignorance: and establish regular prayer, and give regular charity, and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye members of the family and to make you pure and spotless.”

    “ And recite what is rehearsed to you in your homes of the signs of Allah and His wisdom: For Allah understands the finest mysteries and is well-acquainted (with them) “ Qur'an 33:32-34

    So, whoever ponders these verses with a clear and objective mind, without prejudice will come to a conclusion that they were revealed exclusively in favor of the Prophet’s Consorts. Moreover, if one fathoms the verse: “ Stay quietly in your house…… will find out that, it is only one verse and the Messenger’s wives are the only ones addressed therein.

    This might lead us to question ourselves: If the verse addressed only the wives of the Prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam, why didn’t it contain a feminine pronoun of (Meem) instead of using an article implying plural of men? It should be clear that the Messenger of Allah sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam was the head of his household. So, in order to include him, it was incumbent to use the article “ Meem” that denotes talking about a group of men. For he was a man and a leader of his household. For more explanation of this, we should refer to the verse wherein Allah talks about Prophet Ibraahim (Pbuh).

    “ They said: Do you wonder of Allah’s decree? The grace of Allah and His blessings on you, oh ye people of the house ! For He is indeed worthy of all praise, full of glory.” Qur'ân 11 : 73

    Since Abraham was also included in his family, the Holy Qur’an addressed his wife using masculine plural of men with the article ”Meem” as it is customary in the Arabic grammar. For the plural of men is applied even though there is only one man in the group of females according to the classical Arabic. Moreover, in Arabic, a wife is addressed as ”Ahl”, which also means ” People” as revealed in the verse wherein Allah almighty was talking about Prophet Moses salahu alihi wasallam.

    Allah Almighty says : ” Now when Moses had fulfilled the term, and was travelling with his family…” Qur'ân 28 : 29

    So, what do you find strange if this verse was addressed solely to the wives of the Prophet (Pbuh), though the article of masculine plural was applied ?!

    2. What proves that this verse was revealed solely for the wives of the Prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam ,is the Prophetic Tradition itself. In this regard, Prophet Muhammad sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam prayed for his close relatives, including his in-laws and said: (O Allah! Those are also members of my family,O Allah purify them)

    Suppose the verse was addressed to them, confirming that Allah had purified them, why could the Prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam need to invoke Allah Almighty to include this kith and kin in the purification promise ?!!

    3. The household of the Messenger of Allah salahu alihi wa aalihi wasallam includes his wives, Imam Ali, Lady Fatima, the two Imams Al-Hasan and Al-Hussein, and Zaid ibn Al-Arqam who was asked about the household of the Prophet and said in the Hadith: ( His spouses are a fibre of his household ). He went further to explain that his household includes also the people who were not allowed to receive any charity namely: the relatives of Ali, the kindred of Ja’afar, the family of Aqeel, and the kinsfolk of Al-Abbas. Therefore, the concept of the Prophet’s household encompasses also Al-Abbas- the son Abdul Muttalib, the kith and kin of ‘ Aqeel bin abi Talib, and the family of Ja’afar bin Abi Talib, as stated in the Tradition (Hadith) of Zaid bin Al-Arqaam. It also includes the family of Al-Harith bin Abdul Muttalib, due to what the Messenger salahu alihi wa aalihi wasallam told Rabbea bin Al-Harith and Al-Abbas bin Abdil Muttalib: ( Verily , the family of Muhammad does not deserve any charity , for it is people’s filth ) Sahih Muslim

    Even though, we accept the infallibility of the Shi’ite Imams, we will come to a conclusion that it is not logical or Substantial for a non-prophet to be infallible whatsoever he may be.

    4. Referring to the above mentioned verse, and deducting therefrom that Allah’s purification from abomination was meant also for the in-laws and the entire kith and kin of the Messenger of Allah sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam ,prompts a person to wonder and get surprised. The reason for that is self-evident and palpable for everybody.

    The aforementioned Ahaadeeth mentions Fatimah ( the daughter of the prophet May Allah be pleased with her ) as part and percel of the people who were meant for purification among the family members of the Prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam.

    The Imaamite Shi’ah claim that Allah Almighty granted the Shi’ite Imams infallibility because the task they were to be assigned to undertake required of them to be so. The task they were to undertake was to lead people and to apply the Divine Laws of Allah Almighty in Judging among mankind. Now the question casts itself, suppose what they claim is correct, is Lady Fatimah ( May Allah be pleased with her ) a prophet or an Imam to be infallible?! Why she should be infallible if she is not a prophet or an Imam ( like how Shi'ah believe ) ?!!

    Allah Almighty bestowed the attribute of infallibility on the Prophets and Messengers because they had a task ahead of them that was to convey the message revealed to them to their respective peoples and to safeguard the supernatural message they were entrusted with by Allah Almighty.

    5. Since the purification verse was revealed in regard to the wives of the Allah’s Messenger and Allah Almighty affirmed to make them pure and spotless, the Messenger of Allah sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam gathered his closest kith and kin and invoked Allah Almighty to purify them as promised his wives (Prophet’s).

    He thus said in his supplication: (O Allah ! those are my kith and kin, remove all abomination from them and make them pure and spotless) So after Umm Salama saw that the Messenger of Allah sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam had included Ali, Fatimah, Al-Hasan and Al-Hussein in the members of his household, she requested him earnestly to include her among the people he supplicated for. The Messenger of Allah informed her undoubtedly that there was no need for him to include her among his kith and kin since she was one of his wives, and the verse was reveled in their regard. This is a sound evidence that states categorically the fact that the verse was not revealed in regard of the Prophet’s kith and kin but rather it was addressing his wives. Had it been addressing also his kith and kin there would be no need for him to gather his daughter, son -in-law and his grandsons to invoke Allah to include them among his spouses who were promised to be purified.

    6. In the verse: ” And Allah wishes only to remove all abomination from you, ye members of the family, and to make you pure and spotless.” Allah’s statement was not to assure them that they had already been purified, but rather to stipulate a condition that if they obeyed Him, He would remove all abomination from them and thus purify them. He only wished to purify them if they met this Condition.

    If you analyze the context, you will find that Allah Almighty was giving the prophet’s wives some divine directions to do all what He commanded them and to abstain from what He forbade. He thus informed them that if they Conformed to his commands and abstained from what he forbade, He would reward them by removing all abomination from them and make them pure and stainless.

    It should be noted that God Almighty has used this pattern of speech to address our predecessors. Consider the following verse:

    “ Allah does not wish to place you in a difficulty, but to make you clean, and to complete his favor upon you , that ye may be grateful.” Qur'ân 5 : 6

    In another verse, He thus says: “Allah does wish to make clear to you and to show you the ordinances of those before you.” Qur'an 4 : 26

    He also says: “ Allah does wish to lighten your (difficulties): For man was created weak (in flesh ). “ Qur'ân 4 : 28

    The wish of Allah expressed in the above mentioned verses comes as a condition of being loyal to His commands, to love Him and make Him pleased with you. Otherwise, without fulfilling this condition, His wish cannot come into reality, i.e the purification cannot occur.

    7. The main aim of the Prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam in his aforementioned Hadeeth was to pray for his kith and kin to get all their abomination removed from them by Allah, and to be purified as well. This implies that he prayed for them to be among the pious believers who were purified by Allah Almighty. Hence, avoiding abomination is a must for all the believers. For Allah Almighty wishes to purify all the believers who subscribe only to Him in their acts of devotion and not only the family of the Prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam. Although the Prophet’s kith and kin are more entitled to get the purification of Allah Almighty, the verse does not restrict Allah’s purification to them only, to be regarded as impeccable. Allah Almighty says:

    “ Allah does not wish to place you in a difficulty, but to make you clean and to complete His favour to you, that ye may be grateful.” Qur'ân 5 : 6

    In another verse, God Almighty says: “ For Allah loves those who turn to Him constantly in repentance and loves also those who keep themselves pure and clean.” Qur'ân 2 : 222

    So, as Allah Almighty told us of His wish to purify members of the prophet’s family, He so informed us of His wish to purify the believers as well. Therefore, if we suppose that the wish of Allah to purify the believers was meant to make them impeccable, then all sincere pious believers are infallible.

    8. The purification mentioned in the aforementioned verse was not meant to make the kith and kin of the Messenger of Allah infallible, but rather to remove all abomination and mischief from them. This style is widely used in the Holy Qur’an. We read in the Holy Qur’an:

    “ Of their goods take alms, so that ye might purify them and sanctify them………” Qur'ân 9 : 103

    You will never find anybody say that the purification mentioned in the afore-mentioned verses was meant to make the Prophet’s family members infallible. We also read in the Holy Qur’an:

    “ And thy garments keep thee from stain…… “ Qur'ân 74 : 4

    This is mentioned in many verses of the holy Qur’an. The stain here implies filth and dirt. By this Allah Almighty alludes to polytheism (Shirk). To substantiate this explanation and interpretation, Allah Almighty says in the Holy Qur’an:

    “……. But shun the abomination of idols …” Qur'ân 22:30

    Also the word stain may mean , the forbidden foods and drinks as Allah has plainly stated:

    “ Say: I find not in the message received by me by inspiration any (meal) forbidden to be eaten by one who wishes to eat it unless it be dead meat, or blood poured forth, or the flesh of swine, for it is an abomination or what is impious, (meat) “ Qur'ân 6 : 145

    Another example is the following verse;

    “ O ye who believe! Most certainly, intoxicants and gambling, (dedication) of stones and (divination by ) arrows, are an abomination of Satan's handiwork, eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper.” Qur'ân 5 : 90

    There is no verse however, in the Holy Qur’an that refers to “stain” as to mean sins. For if it means sins, then the verse of purification came to confirm that those of the prophetic family were infallible from committing sins.

    9. The verse does not whatsoever mean that purification has already taken place, but it rather asserts explicitly the will of Allah Almighty to purify the Staunch and sincere wives of the prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam. From the previous argument, we also deduct that the Messenger of Allah sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam was eager to pray for his immediate and other relatives to be included in the verse of purification, in order to achieve the same as his spouses were promised.

    Worthy of mention, is that whenever the Messenger Of Allah went to perform the daily obligatory prayer, he used to pass by the house of his cousin and son-in-law, Ali and his spouse Fatimah, reminding them of the obligation of prayer by saying:

    ( Stick to the mandatory prayers, O members of the family! )

    After this exhortation, he used to recite to them the following verse:

    “ Allah so wills to remove all abomination from you O members of the family, and to make you pure and stainless.”

    As stated before in the same verse. By this, he was reminding them, especially Ali, of performing Obligatory prayers in congregation in the mosque. For if one observes all obligatory acts of worship and obey Allah fully, then his reward will be to purify him from all abomination and stains.

    10. If we presume that the purification verse was revealed only to address the relatives of the Prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam and not his spouses, so the purification stated in the verse does not suit them, due to following Qur'ânic text in which Allah Almighty says: “ But He so will to purify you and complete His favors on you.” He so addresses His servants in so many other Qur'ânic verses. So, if the aim of Allah Almighty in purifying the spouses of the Prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam was to make them infallible, it would necessitate us to say that all the believers are infallible, following the Qur'ânic verse which states that Allah Almighty so Wills to purify them. I am pretty sure that neither the Sunnis nor the Shi'ahs can allege that analogy. So how can the purification theory be executed in respect of some sects of people and leave others out of bound? Can’t you see that in this preposition, there is some whimsical and temperamental inclination? There is no any scientific methodology in it.

    It is surprising that the Shi’ite Scholars cling to the purification verse and allege that is was revealed with regard to the relatives of the Prophet sala alahu alihi wa aalihi wasallam, leaving out anything that deals with the purification. By this, they claim that only the relatives of the Prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam are infallible. They thus intend to forget other verses that Allah Almighty revealed to purify the companions the Holy Prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam from all abomination. We read for example.” But He so wishes to purify you and complete His favor on you.” They besides, slander the rightly guided Companions of the Holy Prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi was and allege that they will be caused to turn upside down as a punishment for them. They claim this, inspite of the fact that Allah Almighty confirmed His Will to purify the sincere Companions of the Holy Prophet. You find many parities in the assumptions of the Shi’ite Scholars, that cause you to shake your head incessantly and come to a conclusion that, it is not but bigotry towards their Sect and utter hatred of the rightly guided Companions of the Holy Prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam.

    11. To remove abomination from the kith and kin of the Prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam does not entitle them to be Imams. Now we are on the outset of looking for an evidence either from the Holy Qur’an or from the Hadith that confirms the religious leadership of the Prophet’s relatives. If it is said that among the pre-requisites of the Imamite is to be infallible, then the following question casts itself; What do you say regarding Fatima bin Muhammad , who was among his daughters and among the relatives who included in the purification verse? Can we enforce the same principle on her and regard her as one of the Imam? If they say no, then we should cast the following question; which is matter of factly a quotation from a lengthy Qur'ânic verse “ Do you only believe in some portions of the book ( i.e. Qur’an) and disbelieve in the others? ” You should either implement what you claim totally or admit its futility. But tampering with the Qur'ânic verses and trying to fix them in some places to suit your desires without objectivity, is in fact, playing about with the Holy Book of Allah! May Allah forbid!

    However, I don’t think that whoever follows the path of claiming the infallibility of the kith and kin of the Messenger of Allah sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam, is committing less than bigotry and sticks to the wrong notions and assumptions, and wrongly or intentionally misunderstands the Holy Book of Allah. May Allah Almighty help us and save us from such dissimulators and hypocrites.

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    Re: Ahl Al-Bait, Ummahat Al-Mu'minin (The Prophets Family)

    Who are the Ahlul Bayt?

    Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him urged in the past two hadeeths to adhere to his noble household, to know their right, to respect them, and to honor them, may Allah be pleased with them all. But the question is; who are the household of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him?

    Hadeeth Al-Thiqlayn indicates to the concept of the Prophet's household clarifying that Ahl Al-Bayt are the relatives of Prophet Muhammad and his wives.

    To the completion of the previous hadeeth, The companion of the prophet Zayd who narrated Hadeeth Al-Thiqalyn says: "His wives are among his household, but his household are those who charity is forbidden upon them." One asked: "and who are they?" Zayd answered that they were the household of Ali, household of Aqeel, household of Jaffar, and household of Abbas. The first person asked again: "Upon all of them charity is forbidden?" and Zayd answered by a yes"

    Abdulrahman bin Abi Layla, a dignified Companion, says: "Once we asked Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him about how to pray on his household although Allah told us how to pray on him. Prophet Muhammad answered: "Say: 'O' Allah send prayers upon Muhammad and the family of Muhammad, just as You sent prayers upon Ibraaheem and the family of Ibraaheem. Verily, You are full of praise and majesty. O' Allah, send blessings upon Muhammad and the family of Muhammad, just as You sent blessings upo n Ibraaheem and upon the family of Ibraaheem. Verily, You are full of praise and majesty."

    Then Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him taught them other forms of prayers upon him and his family, and one of the forms is: "O' Allah, send prayers upon Muhammad and upon the wives and descendants of Muhammad, just as you sent prayers upon the family of Ibraaheem, and send blessings upon Muhammad and upon the wives and descendants of Muhammad, just as You sent blessings upon the family of Ibraaheem. Verily, You are full of praise and majesty."

    Although the wives of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him are named as Ahl Al-Bayt in the Ibraaheemite Prayer, we would find a better and a clearer declaration that the wives of the Prophet are his household in this narration:

    Anas bin Malik reported: "A banquet of bread and meat was held on the occasion of the marriage of the Prophet to Zainab bint Jahsh. I was sent to invite the people (to the banquet),………. The Prophet left and went towards the dwelling place of Aa'ishah and said, "Peace and Allah's Mercy be on you, O the people of the house!" She replied, "Peace and the mercy of Allah be on you too. How did you find your wife? May Allah bless you. Then he went to the dwelling places of all his other wives and said to them the same as he said to Aa'ishah and they said to him the same as Aa'ishah had said to him." (Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Tafseer Al-Quran, Surat Al-Ahzab), (Al-Nisa'ei, Work of the day and night, 271)

    In the hadeeth of Al-Efk (the narration of the Lie), the Prophet peace be upon him, while he was on the pulpit narrating charges of adultery from Ubaydullah bin Abi Salool against the Mother of Believers, Aa'ishah, says: "O people give me your opinion regarding those people who made a forged story against my family. By Allah, I do not know anything bad about her. By Allah, they accused her of being with a man about whom I have never known anything bad, and he never entered my house unless I was present there, and whenever I went on a journey, he went with me" (Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Tafseer AL-Quran, Surat AL-Nour)

    Now, let us see what language has to say about this issue. Arabic Language scholars are very clear in identifying the wives of a man as his household. Ibn Manthoor says in the Tongue of the Arabs (Lisan Al-Arab): "Ahl Al-Bayt: its dwellers, Ahl Al-Rajul (family of a man) is the closest people to him, and the household of Prophet Muhammad may Allah have peace on him is his wives, his daughters, and his son-in-law who is Ali bin Abi Talib"

    Al-Fayrooz Al-A'abadi says in Qamoos Al-Muheet: "Ahl Al-Amr is its rulers, Ahl Al-Bayt is its dwellers, Ahl Al-Mathhab (sect) is its who believe in it, Ahl Al-Rajul is his wife, and Ahl Al-Nabi is his wives, his daughters, and his son-in-law i.e. Ali may Allah be pleased of him."

    Al-Zubaydi says in Taj Al-Aroos (The Bride's Crown): "Ahl Al-Mathhab is its believers, Ahl Al-Rajul is his wife and children, and this is how the verse: "and was travelling with his family" is explained as his wives and family. Ahl Al-Nabi is his wives, daughters, and his son-in-law Ali. It was said that the descendant of a man is Ahl Al-Rajul. In the Quran: "Enjoin prayer on thy family, and be constant therein," "And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye Members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless," and "let mercy of Allah and His blessings be upon you Ahl Al-Bayt, He is the most benign and most exalted."

    In addition to the Prophetic narrations and to the Arabic Language scholars' sayings, the Quran itself testifies that wives are included in the phrase "Ahl A-Bayt."

    The Quran called Prophets' wives as their household. Allah says: "so he said to his family, "Tarry ye; I perceive a fire; perhaps I can bring you some burning brand therefrom, or find some guidance at the fire". And it is known that only Mousa's wife was with him and no one else.

    In the story of Zulaykha, the wife of Al-Azeez, when she wanted to temp Yousif, Allah says: "She said: "What is the (fitting) punishment for one who formed an evil design against thy family, but prison or a grievous chastisement?"

    Also, Allah says: "Now when Moses had fulfilled the term, and was traveling with his family." Al-Qumi says in his Tafseer: "When the time had come, Mousa took his wife, Shu'ayb provided Mousa, and Mousa lead his goats. When Mousa wanted to leave, Shu'ayb told him: "Go, Allah made it privately for you." Therefore, Mousa lead his goats aiming Egypt. Mousa and his wife were in a place when a cold breeze, wind and darkness stroked Mousa and his family. Then, Mousa saw a fire, where Allah said the verse: "Now when Moses had fulfilled the term, and was traveling with his family."

    Included in the term "Ahl Al-Bayt" are Ali, Al-Hasan, Al-Hussain, and Fatima, may Allah be pleased with them all as it is mentioned in Hadeeth Al-Kisa'a (the narration of the cloak) that is narrated by Muslim. The mother of Believers, Aa'ishah says: "One day, the messenger of Allah left the house at the afternoon and he was wearing a cloak. Then Hasan bin Ali came and the Prophet took him under his cloak. Next Hussain bin Ali came and the Prophet took him under his cloak. After that Fatima came and the Prophet took her under his cloak. Finally, Ali came, and the Prophet took him under his cloak. Then the Prophet said: "And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye Members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless"

    In retrospect, it is cleared that the household of Prophet Muhammad are his wives, the family of Ali (Hasan, Hussain, and Fatima), the family of Aqeel, the family of Abbas, and the family of Jaffar. Those are the ones who Prophet Muhammad ordered us to dignify and respect. Hadeeth Al-Thiqlain did not testify to the infallibility of anyone of them, but raised their status. Using the verse of Purification and hadeeth Al-Kisa'a to prove Ali's infallibility is non-sense.

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    Re: Ahl Al-Bait, Ummahat Al-Mu'minin (The Prophets Family)

    janab agar aap sirf copy paste per yaqeen na kertay hon to mein aap se iss topic per baat kernay k liye tayyar hoon....

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    Re: Ahl Al-Bait, Ummahat Al-Mu'minin (The Prophets Family)

    Quote Originally Posted by mufti-e-azam
    janab agar aap sirf copy paste per yaqeen na kertay hon to mein aap se iss topic per baat kernay k liye tayyar hoon....

    baseless comments.

    if some body want to know about ahlul bait just read sura al-ahjab para no. 22 and than comment about ayah thateer, such sura in star addressed to wives of prophet pbuh before ahay-e-thateer its addressed to wives of prophet pbuh and ayah-e-thateer itselfs addressed to wives of prophet pbuh and after ayah-e-thateer again addressed to wives of prophet pbuh shia only pick small portion from such surah and label it to hz. ali ra family.

    if you want to know more about ahlul bait and hadith -e- kisa must visit.

    http://www.ahlelbayt.com/category/articles/ahlel-bayt

    pure sunni prospect.

    thanks.


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    Re: Ahl Al-Bait, Ummahat Al-Mu'minin (The Prophets Family)

    Quote Originally Posted by ALIJAN1001

    baseless comments.

    if some body want to know about ahlul bait just read sura al-ahjab para no. 22 and than comment about ayah thateer, such sura in star addressed to wives of prophet pbuh before ahay-e-thateer its addressed to wives of prophet pbuh and ayah-e-thateer itselfs addressed to wives of prophet pbuh and after ayah-e-thateer again addressed to wives of prophet pbuh shia only pick small portion from such surah and label it to hz. ali ra family.

    if you want to know more about ahlul bait and hadith -e- kisa must visit.

    http://www.ahlelbayt.com/category/articles/ahlel-bayt

    pure sunni prospect.

    thanks.

    mein ne to koi ocmments hi nahi idye janab..baseless kahan se ho gaye ?? mein ne to sirf yeh kaha hai k agar aap copy paste khatam ker chukay hon to debate ker lein magar aap ki to hawa hi bund ho jati hai jab koi aap ko copy paste se hut ker debate ka kahay to..aisa kiun hai ?? aap to ex-shia hain aap k paas to dono mazhaib ka knowledge hona chahiye tha...agar waqai mein hain to )

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    mein ne to koi ocmments hi nahi idye janab..baseless kahan se ho gaye ?? mein ne to sirf yeh kaha hai k agar aap copy paste khatam ker chukay hon to debate ker lein magar aap ki to hawa hi bund ho jati hai jab koi aap ko copy paste se hut ker debate ka kahay to..aisa kiun hai ?? aap to ex-shia hain aap k paas to dono mazhaib ka knowledge hona chahiye tha...agar waqai mein hain to )[/quote]


    again rubbish and persnal comments.

    read what quran say about prophet wives ra.

    The Quran specifically refers to the wives of the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) as Ahlel Bayt in the following verse:

    “O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other of the women; If you will be on your guard, then be not soft in your speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease yearn; and speak a good word. And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, you Ahlel Bayt (People of the House), and to make you pure and spotless.” (Quran, 33:32-33)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALIJAN1001
    again rubbish and persnal comments.

    read what quran say about prophet wives ra.

    The Quran specifically refers to the wives of the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) as Ahlel Bayt in the following verse:

    “O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other of the women; If you will be on your guard, then be not soft in your speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease yearn; and speak a good word. And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, you Ahlel Bayt (People of the House), and to make you pure and spotless.” (Quran, 33:32-33)
    ) beta yeh 2 ayaat hain na k aik hi...aur Quran mein aksar pehli ayat kisi k liye hoti hai aur dosri kisi aur k liye..jaisay Al Maida hai jis ki aik ayat halal haram gosht k liye hai dosri hajj ul waida k waqiya ki hai k aaj k din deen mukalmal ho gaya aur 3rd phir halal haram gosht k liye hai ) yeh hai uss ayat ka shan e nazool jis se saaf pata chalta hai k biwian Ahle Bait a.s mein shamil nahi hain...aur dosri baat jo mein sawal kerna chahta hoon..
    1. sahih bukhari mein likha hai k Rasool Allah ne aik aurat se shaadi ki jis ko baad mein talaq de di...ab kiya woh bhi Ahle Bait a.s mein shamil hai ya nahi kiun k zoja to woh bhi thi
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    ) beta yeh 2 ayaat hain na k aik hi...aur Quran mein aksar pehli ayat kisi k liye hoti hai aur dosri kisi aur k liye..jaisay Al Maida hai jis ki aik ayat halal haram gosht k liye hai dosri hajj ul waida k waqiya ki hai k aaj k din deen mukalmal ho gaya aur 3rd phir halal haram gosht k liye hai ) yeh hai uss ayat ka shan e nazool jis se saaf pata chalta hai k biwian Ahle Bait a.s mein shamil nahi hain...aur dosri baat jo mein sawal kerna chahta hoon..
    1. sahih bukhari mein likha hai k Rasool Allah ne aik aurat se shaadi ki jis ko baad mein talaq de di...ab kiya woh bhi Ahle Bait a.s mein shamil hai ya nahi kiun k zoja to woh bhi thi
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    you are boongay=e=azam.

    such sura addressed to wives of prophet before ayah-e-thateer and ayah-e-thateer itselfs speaks about wives of prophet and after ayah-e-thateer still speaks about wives of prophet their is not sepration and any discountinous amoung such ayah such sura continious speaks about wives of prophet .

    and also read cause of revilled of such sura, mothers of ummah demand some thing from prophet and allah guide them that who are they and what they have to do.

    so as per quran it is clear that wives of prophet are in ahlul bait. shia only pick a portion from such sura and addressed to hz. ali ra family only.

    every one from this forum must read such sura and comment after what is true and what is wrong.


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    this is quoted by such bonga-e-azam.

    1. sahih bukhari mein likha hai k Rasool Allah ne aik aurat se shaadi ki jis ko baad mein talaq de di...ab kiya woh bhi Ahle Bait a.s mein shamil hai ya nahi kiun k zoja to woh bhi thi


    provide us reference of such hadith and status of hadith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALIJAN1001


    you are boongay=e=azam.

    such sura addressed to wives of prophet before ayah-e-thateer and ayah-e-thateer itselfs speaks about wives of prophet and after ayah-e-thateer still speaks about wives of prophet their is not sepration and any discountinous amoung such ayah such sura continious speaks about wives of prophet .

    and also read cause of revilled of such sura, mothers of ummah demand some thing from prophet and allah guide them that who are they and what they have to do.

    so as per quran it is clear that wives of prophet are in ahlul bait. shia only pick a portion from such sura and addressed to hz. ali ra family only.

    every one from this forum must read such sura and comment after what is true and what is wrong.

    sabit karo meray bachay iss terha hawa mein teer chalanay se thori tumhari koi baat maan le ga...mein ne ayat ka shaan e nazool dikhaya haio tumhari books se...uss mein Rasool Allah ne sirf unn ko Ahle Bait fermaya hai jo Kissa k neechay thay aur jab unn ki zoja ne kaha to aap ne kaha tum Ahle Bait nahi ho magar khair per ho...iss se sbait hota hai k Ahle Bait aur hain aur zojaat aur hain..aur mein ne pehlay bhi sawal kiya tha k shaih bukhari meinl ikha hai k Aap ne aik biwi ko pehlay din hi talaq de di thi to kiya woh Ahle Bait mein shamil hai ya nahi..apnay kisi mufti ka fatwa le ker aao yahan )

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    Re: Ahl Al-Bait, Ummahat Al-Mu'minin (The Prophets Family)

    From: Zain ********
    To: admin@ahlelbayt.com

    Verse 33:33 in the Quran is the Verse of Purification. The Ahlel Bayt–namely Ali, Fatima, Hasan, Hussain, and the Infallible Imams including the Mehdi–were made infallible by verse 33:33 in which Allah says: “And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, you Ahl al-Bayt (People of the House), and to make you pure and spotless.” (33:33) The Prophet placed a cloak underneath all four of these people and then made them infallible by this verse in the Quran.

    Response From: AhlelBayt.com Admin

    Dear Brother Zain,

    Thank you for your correspondence.

    When we read verses of the Quran, we should read the entire passage and not just isolated parts of it. We must see what is the context of what is being said. Otherwise, we will be misled. We are afraid that many people, either knowingly or unknowingly, are taking the Quran and Hadith out of context simply to win debates. Insha-Allah we should read the Quranic verses in their entirity and with an open heart.

    Brother Zain, you have mentioned Verse 33:33 of the Quran. Let us now read to whom this verse in the Quran is addressed to; let us read the entire sentence, starting from verse 33:32 all the way to verse 33:34.

    “O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other of the women; If you will be on your guard, then be not soft in your speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease yearn; and speak a good word. And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, you Ahlel Bayt (People of the House), and to make you pure and spotless. And recite what is rehearsed to you in your homes, of the Signs of Allah and His Wisdom: for Allah understands the finest mysteries and is well-acquainted (with them).” (Quran, 33:32-34)

    Allah Almighty clearly addresses the wives of the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم). If we were to argue that this verse is the verse of purification and that it makes certain people infallible, then we would have to conclude that it is Aisha (رضّى الله عنها) and the rest of the Prophet’s wives which were made infallible. We base this on the simple fact that the verse was revealed with the heading “O wives of the Prophet.” Brother Zain, how can we say that this verse refers to Ali (رضّى الله عنه) and the Infallible Imams when none of them are mentioned here, but only the wives are addressed? We understand that it is a popular concept that this verse makes the Ahlel Bayt infallible. However, it is also the same people who spread such conceptions who believe that Aisha (رضّى الله عنها) hated Ali (رضّى الله عنه). It seems to us that, if anything, it is Aisha (رضّى الله عنها) who is made infallible, and if indeed that is the case shouldn’t the Shia side with her over Ali (رضّى الله عنه)?

    There is actually not a single verse in the Quran which identifies Ali (رضّى الله عنه), Fatima (رضّى الله عنها), Hasan (رضّى الله عنه), or Hussain (رضّى الله عنه) to be Ahlel Bayt. Not a single verse in the Quran mentions the 12 Infallible Imams of the Shia, let alone mentioning them as the Ahlel Bayt. Nowhere in the Quran does it refer to the Hidden Imam as the Ahlel Bayt. How is it then that a very fundamental aspect of the Shia faith is not in the Quran, which is supposed to be the ultimate guide to truth? How can the ultimate guide be devoid of the essence of belief, as the Shia claim that following their Ahlel Bayt is? The term Ahlel Bayt has been used twice in the Quran, and both times to refer to the wives. The Quran does not say “O cousin of the Prophet” but rather it says “O wives of the Prophet.”

    In conclusion, the verse you have mentioned, Verse 33:33, was addressed to the Prophet’s wives.

    Thank you for writing to us, and feel free to ask any more questions.

    Sincerely,
    Ibn al-Hashimi, http://www.ahlelbayt.com

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    RE: from Zain ********
    To: admin@ahlelbayt.com

    You have said that the verse 33:33 is referring to Aisha. How can Aisha possibly be infallible when she hated Ali and she went out to fight against him?

    Response From: AhlelBayt.com Admin

    Dear Brother Zain,

    Thank you again for writing and giving us the opportunity to further clarify our position.

    Firstly, Aisha (رضّى الله عنها) did not hate Ali (رضّى الله عنه) nor did she leave her house to fight against Ali (رضّى الله عنه). This is a myth and it is slander, very much like the slander against Ali (رضّى الله عنه) when people accused him of killing Uthman (رضّى الله عنه). Aisha (رضّى الله عنها) went out to seek reconciliation with Ali (رضّى الله عنه) in order to prevent bloodshed. This was her intention, and she was not the one who started the Battle of the Camel, no moreso than Ali (رضّى الله عنه) was. We shall disclose more information on this topic in a future article.

    Secondly, the verse 33:33 does not make anybody infallible. Nobody is infallible, not even the prophets. This idea of making people infallible is alien to Islam and it is akin to what the Christians have done with Prophet Isa (i.e. making him infallible). This is an exaggeration that leads to Shirk, since an attribute of the Creator is given to the creation. We will discuss infallibility in relation to verse 33:33 in a future article, Insha-Allah.

    Sincerely,
    Ibn al-Hashimi, http://www.ahlelbayt.com

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    From: Nabeel ***********
    To: admin@ahlelbayt.com

    I am curious as to what the Shia say about Tahreef of the Quran, especially in regards to Verse 33:33. Can you please shed some light on this matter?

    Response From: AhlelBayt.com Admin

    Dear Brother Nabeel,

    The very ideological foundation of Shi’ism comes falling down when we read the Quran and find out that the Prophet’s wives are referred to as Ahlel Bayt. To deal with this inconsistency, certain Shia Ayatollahs claim that the Quran has been tampered with. Observe what the popular Shia website Al-Islam.org has to say on this issue; Allamah Sharaf al-Din says:

    “…it is quite possible that the purification verse concerning the People of the House was revealed separately and then, when the verses of the Quran were being assembled, was placed in the middle of the verses relating to the wives of the Prophet, either in error or deliberately.” (Al-Islam.org, Lesson 19, http://www.al-islam.org/leadership/)

    It is clear that the Shia first make up their beliefs and then read the Quran, as opposed to first reading the Quran and then deriving their beliefs from it. When verses of the Quran conflict with Shia doctrine, then possibilities are sought to explain away discrepancies. This is clearly an unnecessary complication. Therefore, it makes sense to read the Quran as is and then decide upon one’s beliefs, rather than deciding on a belief first and then manufacturing a “Quranic proof” in the realm of “possibilities”.

    Such a belief that the verses in the Quran were manipulated by being arranged in a certain way is very much in line with the classical Shia opinion that the Quran has had Tahreef (tampering) and has been changed by the Sahabah. How can the Shia believe in Tahreef Bit Tarteeb (tampering in the order of verses) when Allah Almighty has promised in the Quran that He Himself will protect the Quran from any tampering or manipulation. Allah Almighty says in the Quran:

    “Absolutely, we have revealed the Reminder [the Quran], and, We verily are its Guardian; we will preserve it.” (Quran, 15:9)

    “This is an honorable Quran in a protected book, well-guarded. A revelation from the Lord of the universe.” (Quran, 56:77-80)

    “Indeed, it is a glorious Quran, in a preserved master tablet.” (Quran, 85:21-22)

    Allah has promised that He will protect and perserve the Quran from any and all tampering. In fact, this is a central belief of Islam, without which the entire faith of Islam topples. Indeed, many Western orientalists and evangelical Christians have labored hard to convince people that the Quran has been tampered with. If the Quran were tampered with, then Islam has been changed and altered, just like the Muslims claim that the Bible was changed and altered. To doubt the veracity and integrity of the Quran is to doubt all of faith, and this is Kufr Akbar (Major Disbelief). We ask our Shia brothers not to throw their religious book and their entire faith into the garbage can simply because they wish to hate Aisha (رضّى الله عنها) and want so desperately to exclude her from the Ahlel Bayt. This is a very poor reason to destroy one’s faith.

    We cannot really have intelligent dialogue with our Shia brothers if we do not both agree on the Quran as the gold standard. We can never prove to the Shia anything when they claim that the subject in the sentence has actually changed. A Non-Muslim could easily claim that the verse talking about Abu Lahab was placed in the wrong place and it should in reality be placed before the verse about following the Messenger! Suddenly, Abu Lahab is the messenger of Allah! How can we seriously argue with people when they play word games with the Quran, using cut and paste to make it mean whatever they want it to mean? This would turn the Quran into a jigsaw puzzle and makes it meaningless as a book of guidance.

    It is quizzical that certain Shia Ayatollahs of today say that they don’t believe in Tahreef of the Quran, but at the same time they claim that verse 33:33 was placed deliberately next to the verse about the Prophet’s wives; they say that the meaning of the Quran was thus manipulated and the integrity of the Quran lost. In fact, most Shia scholars believe in Tahreef bit Tarteeb, which is the idea that the order of verses in the Quran were tampered with.

    Even if we look at verse 33:33 in isolation, we see clearly that the verse is talking about the wives:

    “And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, you Ahlel Bayt (People of the House), and to make you pure and spotless.” (Quran, 33:33)

    Surely, the Quran is not referring to Ali (رضّى الله عنه) when it commands to stay quietly in the house and not make a dazzling display. Rather this can only be referring to the Prophet’s wives.

    Sincerely,
    Ibn al-Hashimi, http://www.ahlelbayt.com

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    From: Zain *********
    To: admin@ahlelbayt.com

    In verse 33:33, the Quran switches tenses and changes from feminine form to masculine form. This clearly means that the group being referred to has changed and that it is not being addressed to the Prophet’s wives any more. Allah switched tenses which is His way of making it obvious that the special position of Ahlel Bayt is not for the Prophet’s wives.

    Response From AhlelBayt.com Admin

    Dear Brother Zain,

    Thank you for writing to us. May Allah guide you and guide us both to the Straight Path.

    We would like to proclaim at the outset that if Allah wished to exclude the Prophet’s wives from Ahlel Bayt, nothing prevented Him from saying this in the Quran; nobody–not even the supposedly “evil Sahabah”–could force Allah to reveal the Verse of Purification in the middle of the commands to the Prophet’s wives.

    The term “Ahl” is masculine, no matter if it is referring to men or women. When an Arab refers to a man’s Ahlel Bayt and by this he means his wives, he will still make use of the masculine form, because Ahlel Bayt is a masculine construction even though it refers to the wives. Ahlel Bayt cannot be used in the feminine, simply speaking from a grammatical standpoint. So we should not be surprised when Allah uses the masculine term for Ahlel Bayt. If, for example, this website were in Arabic, then we would use the masculine form for Ahlel Bayt even if we were only referring to the Prophet’s wives. If you were to tell an Arab man to bring his wives to your house, you would say “please bring your Ahlel Bayt” and this would be said in the masculine tense despite the fact that you are referring to his wives. It is considered rude in Arab-Islamic culture to ask a man “how is your wife” and instead the more culturally appropriate question is: “how is your Ahlel Bayt?” It is the polite way to refer to a man’s wives, and indeed, any time you refer to a man’s Ahlel Bayt, the masculine form is used. This is the Arabic language, and only an ignoramus and non-Arabic speaker would claim otherwise.

    The verse was revealed to the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) and was referring to his wives, and thus the term Ahlel Bayt was used, in reference to the Prophet and his wives, thereby necessitating the usage of the collective masculine tense. If there is even one male in a group of females, then the collective masculine tense becomes necessary. It is impossible to exclude the Prophet’s wives from this verse because it is addressed to them.

    To completely end any possible confusion on this matter, we shall provide proof from the Quran itself. Ahlel Bayt is used another time in the Quran and again this time to refer to the wives, using the collective masculine tense:

    “She said: O wonder! shall I bear a son when I am an extremely old woman and this my husband an extremely old man? Most surely this is a wonderful thing. They said: Do you wonder at Allahs decree? The grace of Allah and His blessings on you, o you Ahlel Bayt (People of the House)! for He is indeed worthy of all praise, full of all glory!” (Quran, 11:72-73)

    The transliteration reads: “Qâlat Yâ WaylatâA’alidu Wa Anâ `Ajûzun Wa Hadhâ Ba`lî Shaykhâan Inna Hâdhâ Lashayun `Ajîbun. Qâlû Ata`jabîna Min Amri Allâhi Ramatu Allâhi Wa Barakâtuhu `Alaykum Ahlul-Bayt-i Innahu amîdun Majîdun.” (Quran, 11:72-73)

    In this verse of the Quran, the masculine form is being used for Ahlel Bayt even though the Ahlel Bayt in question is only one single woman. Again, this is the norm of the Arabic language, and indeed this is why the classical Shia scholars never made this argument about tense switching since to an Arab, it makes no sense whatsoever.

    If Allah was purposefully switching tenses and this so clearly showed Allah’s intention, why then do the Shia Ulema–-as shown by Al-Islam.org–-argue that there had been Tahreef bit Tarteeb (i.e. tampering in the order of verses) of the Quran? How was Allah purposefully switching tenses when it was supposedly the Sahabah who manipulated the Quran’s order and it was they who decided the order, not Allah? This, to us, does not make any logical sense. How can the Shia further two contradictory claims, on the one hand claiming that the Sahabah may have purposefully placed the purification verse in the middle of the verses to the Prophet’s wives, and on the other hand claiming that this was Allah who was purposefully switching tenses to prove some point?

    Furthermore, we’d like to state that Allah has mentioned it many times in the Quran that it is a Book of clear guidance, and that it is written in an easily understandable form. Allah Almighty says in the Quran: “These are the signs of the clear book.” (12:1) How clear is the Quran if an unbiased reader will think that it is the Prophet’s wives who are being referred to but in reality it is supposed to be Ali’s family (رضّى الله عنه)? What prevented Allah from simply ending this confusion and instead clearly saying “O cousin of the Prophet and his family” instead of “O wives of the Prophet?” Why this confusion? Why did Allah place this verse of purification in the middle of commands directed towards the Prophet’s wives? Wouldn’t this mean that this is far from a clear book but rather it is a cryptic and confusing book?

    Brother, you should read the Quran with an open mind and a receptive heart, without manipulating verses to mean what you want them to mean. Before and after Allah talks about being pure and spotless, the Quran is addressing the Prophet’s wives. Even after the pure and spotless part, Allah continues by saying “and recite what is rehearsed to you in your homes…” This is still referring to the wives of the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) since it is telling them to recite the Quran in their homes, not in the mosque like men do. The entire verse 33:32-34 was revealed to caution the Prophet’s wives to stay inside their homes so that Allah could keep them pure and spotless. Why is it that before and after the pure and spotless part, the Shia say these refer to the Prophet’s wives? How come all of the Quran’s warnings refer to the Prophet’s wives, but any praise about being pure and spotless automatically belongs to Ali’s family (رضّى الله عنه)? Is this really a fair reading of the Quran?

    Indeed, certain Shia Tafseer of the Quran say that virtually every praise in the Quran is given to Ali (رضّى الله عنه), and every condemnation to Abu Bakr (رضّى الله عنه) and Umar (رضّى الله عنه). This is not a fair and balanced way to read the Quran, but rather it is a manipulation of the Word of Allah. If Allah wanted to condemn Abu Bakr (رضّى الله عنه) and Umar (رضّى الله عنه) in the Quran, then nothing prevented Him from mentioning their names like He mentioned Abu Lahab’s name. If Allah wanted to praise Ali (رضّى الله عنه) in the Quran, then nothing prevented Him from mentioning him as the “cousin of the Prophet” like Allah mentioned the Prophet’s wives. We cannot manipulate the speech of Allah to suit our own desires.

    Perhaps the greatest manipulation of all is to say that this verse was revealed in reference to the Infallible Imams; where does Allah say any of this? Instead, He says “O wives of the Prophet.” What could prevent a Bahai from claiming that the verse is actually addressing Bahaiullah instead of the Prophet’s wives? We do not mean to be insulting or callous, but we need our Shia brothers to understand how the Ayatollahs’ interpretations are highly suspect.

    Sincerely,
    Ibn al-Hashimi, http://www.ahlelbayt.com

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    sabit karo meray bachay iss terha hawa mein teer chalanay se thori tumhari koi baat maan le ga...mein ne ayat ka shaan e nazool dikhaya haio tumhari books se...uss mein Rasool Allah ne sirf unn ko Ahle Bait fermaya hai jo Kissa k neechay thay aur jab unn ki zoja ne kaha to aap ne kaha tum Ahle Bait nahi ho magar khair per ho...iss se sbait hota hai k Ahle Bait aur hain aur zojaat aur hain..aur mein ne pehlay bhi sawal kiya tha k shaih bukhari meinl ikha hai k Aap ne aik biwi ko pehlay din hi talaq de di thi to kiya woh Ahle Bait mein shamil hai ya nahi..apnay kisi mufti ka fatwa le ker aao yahan ) [/quote]


    bonga-e-azam.

    sun lo is ayah ki shan-e-nazole yeh hai kay mothers of ummah nay rasool say kuch deman di to allah nay un ko guidness di our un ko samjaya kay wo kis muqam par hain our un ko kiya karna chahiya.

    tum jis ki baat kar rahay ho wo hadith-e-kissa hai, jo do taraf say narrate ki huvi hai, hz. ayesha ra say aur hz. hafsa ra say tum dono ko mila rahay ho, jab kay quran saaf kharaha hai kay wives of prophet our un ki doughters ahlul bait hain.

    we are not like shia, to pick some portion from quran and labled to ali ra and his family.

    also tell me there are 18 sons of hz. ali ra why you shia did not consider all sons of ali ra in ahlul bait, where as 15 sons were born after wisal of prophet and wisal of bibi fatima ra.

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