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    sahih bukhari ki hadees hai k Rasool Allah ne hazrat ayesha k ghar ki teraf ishara ker k 3 baar fermaya yahen fitna hai..yahen se fitna shaitan k seeng ki terha nikalay ga...khan001,mohsin iqbal aur dosray users se mein request kerta hoon k woh iss topic per aa ker iss sahih hadees k baray mein bataein...
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    Asslamoalaikum 2 all muslims,
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    janab aap ne koi sahi tareeka se jawab nahi diya...maa hona aur baat hai fitna hona aur baat hai...aur uss maa ko fitna mein ne nahi kaha balkeh uss hasti ne kaha hai jis ki wajah se uss ko izzat mili thi..aur aap ko pata bhi hai k yeh maa bunanay ki zaroorat kiun paish aaye ?? woh aap k talha sahab fermatay thay k jab Rasool Allah ki wafat ho jaye gi to mein ayesha se shaadi ker loon ga jisay sun ker Nabi Paak ko dukh hua k meray ashaab meray mernay ki duaein aur wait ker rahay hain to tab yeh ayat utari...agar aap ko zaroorat mehsoos hui to Quran ki tafseer ka scan page mang lena jis mein shaan e nazool mojood hai aap ki book mein...aur aap ne shayed maa k baray mein Surah Tahreem ki ayat nahi perhi Quran mein jis mein Allah ne fermaya hai k tum dono k dil phir chukay hain matlab tum dono munafiq ho gaye ho...aur janab ab hum wapas aatay hain iss hadees ki teraf to janab aap aik baar phir hadees ko ghoar se perhein...aik to iss hadees mein ayesha k ghar ki teraf ishara kiya gaya aur kaha gaya hai yahen...agar iraq ki teraf ishara kiya jata to lafz wahan use hota aur kaha jata k wahen se fitna shaitan k seeng ki terha nikalay ga...aur dosra etiraz aap ka yeh tha k wahan Rasool Allah khud bhi rehtay thay ya woh unn ka apna ghar tha...to janab unn k rehnay se bhi koi baat change nahi hoti...Khana Kaaba Allah ka ghar hai lakin kal wahin pathar k buat rahay to uss waqt koi Khana Kaaba ki teraf ishara ker k kehta k yahan jhootay khuda hain yahan buaton ki pooja hoti hai to iss ka matlab yeh hai k Allah ka ghar woh nahi raha ?? ya Allah bhi pathar ka buat hai Naozbillah ?? to janab kisi k kharab honay se dosray ko koi farq nahi perta kiun k her koi apnay amal ka zimadar hai na k dosray ka...

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    Re: Sahih Bukhari Hadees

    to janab aap k 2 etiraz to khatam ho gaye 1 k Rasool Allah k ghar mein fitna kaisay ho sakta hai..kiun nahi ho sakta jab Allah k ghar mein buaton ka fitna ho sakta hai...aur aap ne iraq ki baat ki to hadees se lafz yahen use hua hai na k wahen matlab baat nazdeek ki ho rahi hai na k doar ki..chalein ab mein aap ko aik aur baat dikhata hoon jis se aap ki poori post jhooti sabit ho jaye gi..janab yeh sahih bukhari ki aik aur hadees hai jis mein yamen se aik wafd aaya to Rasool Allah ne fermaya emaan yamen mein hai aur fitna idhar se hai..idhar se hi fitna shaitan k seeng ki terha nikalay ga...to janab ab to aap ki sari post ghalat sabit ho gi...ab mazeed kuch kehna chahein ge aap ??
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    Asslamoalikum 2 all muslims,

    Main iss hadees ki tafseel aur tashreeh bian ker chukka hoon. Aik daffa phir chand points main kuch baten arz kerna chahta hoon:

    1) Aap ne sahih Bukhari ki jo hadees Syeda Ayesha R.A. per aitraaz k liye bian ki hai uss ka koi taluq Syeda Ayesha se banta hi nahin. Uss hadees main Nabi s.a.w. ne Syeda Ayesha ka to naam tak nahin lia. Woh lafz Ibn-e-Umer R.A k hain k Nabi s.a.w. ne Syeda Ayesha k gher ki taraf ishara kia. Abb yehi Ibn-e-Umer R.A. khud iss baat ki wazahet ker chukke hain k Syeda Ayesha R.A. k gher ki taraf ishara mashriq ki taraf ishara tha aur mashriq main bhi khaas Iraq.

    2) Ager aap ki baat ko bil'ferz maan bhi lia jae k ishara Syeda Ayesh k gher ki taraf tha to bhi iss main Syeda Ayesha R.A. ka (naooz'billah) fitna hona hergiz nahin nikalta. kissi k gher main fitna hona aur baat hai aur uss person ka fitna hona aur baat hai (jaisa k aap ne kaha k maa hona aur baat hai fitna hona aur baat hai, maaz'Allah). Kion'k gher siref Syeda Ayesha R.A ka to nahin khud Nabi s.a.w. ka bhi hai. Iss k elawa bhi bohat se log uss gher main aane jaane wale mojood the. Kia khayal hai ager koi unn main se kissi ko fitna qarar de de. Yaad rahe yeh siref ilzaami jawab hai. hamare nazdeek ishare wali hadees ka taluq kissi bhi tarah se Syeda Ayesh R.A. ya Nabi s.a.w. k gher se hergiz nahin.

    3) Jis Ayesha R.A. ki pakeezgi per khud Allah ne gawahi di ho, Jis k motaliq Allah k Nabi s.a.w. ne apni piari beti Syeda Fatima R.A. se kaha ho k kia tu uss se mohabbat nahin kerti jis se main mohabbat kerta hoon (yani Ayesha R.A.) aur Syeda Fatima R.A. ne bhi iss mohabbat ka iqrar kia ho (Sahih Bukhari:2581). Jis ke paas Allah k Nabi s.a.w. ne aakhri waqat tak rehna pasand kia ho. Jis Syeda Ayesha R.A ko farishton k serdaar Jibra'eel A.S. tak salam kerte hon (Sahih Bukhari:3768) Uss k motaliq toheen amez kalmaat ka kehna siref unhin ki nahin Nabi s.a.w. ki bhi tohaeen hai. Aap s.a.w. ke Ahlebait ki toheen hai. Nabi s.a.w. ke deen ki toheen hain. Jo hamesha se Yahood aur Yahood k perokaron ka maqsad raha hai.

    4) Bait-Ullah main buton ki misaal bhi khoob di aap ne. Bait-Ullah k buton ko khud Allah k Rasool sa.w. ne apne haathon se tora tha aur unn ka khaatma ker dia tha. Yeh Naooz/billah kaisa ftna hai k Nabi s.a.w. jis se muhabbat ki gawahi de rahe hain. Jis ko Jibra'eel A.S. Salam Arz ker rahe hain. Jis ki pakeezgi per Quran gawah ban raha hai. Jis se Nabi s.a.w. ki mohabbat ka yeh aalim hai k aakhri waqt main bhi uss ki god main rahe aur unn se juda hona aik lamhe k liye bhi pasand na kia. Syeda Ayesha R.A ki fazeelat k liye aur koi baat na bhi hoti to siref yehi aakhri baat kaafi hai. Iss k khilaaf koi jo merzi bolta rahe uss ka apna naama amaal hi siah ho ga. Chaand per thookne se thook chaand per nahin apne moon per hi girta hai.

    4) Iss k elawa aap ne Syeda Ayesha aur Syeda Hafsa R.A. per Munafiq hone ka jo buhtaan baandha hai uss main Allah aap ko poora poora badla de. (Soora Tehreem wala waqia sab k saamne hai k uss ka taluq mahez bivion ki apas main baahmi raqabat ka jazba tha jo fitri hai aur issi per Allah ne inn ko tanbeeh ki k tumhare dil aik galti per jhuke hain lahaza toba ker lo. Siref itni si baat ko munafiqat kehna intaha darje ki gustakhi hai.)
    Aap se mujhe kuch nahin kehna. Siref baaqi logon se kehna chahoon ga k dekh lo inn logon ki zubanen kis qader daraz hai aur inn logon k dilon main Ahle-Bait, Ashaab-e-Rasool s.a.w. k motaliq kis qader bughez bhera hai.

    Aakhir main aik baat mazeed yeh kehna chahoon ga k Syeda Ayesha R.A. ko tum logon ka manana ya na manana koi maani nahin rakhta jo log mojooda Quran ko hi na maante hon. Jin logon k nazdeek Imamon ka rutba Anbiya se afzal ho unn se iss baat ki umeed rakhna k Sahaba Ikram k moqam ko woh sahih maan lain sire se galat hai.
    Lahaza aap se bhi guzarish hai k aap ko ager ache andaaz se guftagoo kerni hai to pehle bataie k mojooda Quran k motaliq aap ka kia aqeeda hai? Aur jo iss Quran ko tehreef'shuda mane uss ka hukam kia hai?

    Umeed hai baat ko phelane ki bajae asooli baat kerte hue pehle iss sawal ka jawab anayet karen ge. Kion'k zahiiq hai koi buniad to honi chahiye jis per hamare aur aap k dermian ikhtilaaf ka faisla ho sake.

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    Re: Sahih Bukhari Hadees

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    Asslamoalikum 2 all muslims,

    Main iss hadees ki tafseel aur tashreeh bian ker chukka hoon. Aik daffa phir chand points main kuch baten arz kerna chahta hoon:

    1) Aap ne sahih Bukhari ki jo hadees Syeda Ayesha R.A. per aitraaz k liye bian ki hai uss ka koi taluq Syeda Ayesha se banta hi nahin. Uss hadees main Nabi s.a.w. ne Syeda Ayesha ka to naam tak nahin lia. Woh lafz Ibn-e-Umer R.A k hain k Nabi s.a.w. ne Syeda Ayesha k gher ki taraf ishara kia. Abb yehi Ibn-e-Umer R.A. khud iss baat ki wazahet ker chukke hain k Syeda Ayesha R.A. k gher ki taraf ishara mashriq ki taraf ishara tha aur mashriq main bhi khaas Iraq.
    janab aap ne meri wazahat bhi perhi nahi shayed...aap MashAllah se school,college to gaye hi hon ge aur grammer bhi perhi ho gi...to janab urdu grammer mein nazdeek ki teraf ishara kerna ho to yahan use kiya jata hai aur doar ki teraf ishara kerna ho to wahan lafz use kiya jata hai..issi terha english mein here and there use kiya jata hai...ab hum dekhtay hain k yahan nazdeek k liye ishara kiya gaya hai ya doar k liye...to janab Rasool Allah saww ne fermaya yahen hai fitna..yahen se fitna nikalay ga..agar to doar yeni iraq ki baat hoti to phir kehtay wahen hai fitna..wahen se fitna nikalay ga...to yeh baat to aap ki koi sahi nahi maloom hoti kiun k aap ne bohat hi kamzor misaal di hai..aur hum ne kab kaha k naam liya ?? lakin janab uss ghar ki teraf ishara to kiya k nahi kiya ??
    2) Ager aap ki baat ko bil'ferz maan bhi lia jae k ishara Syeda Ayesh k gher ki taraf tha to bhi iss main Syeda Ayesha R.A. ka (naooz'billah) fitna hona hergiz nahin nikalta. kissi k gher main fitna hona aur baat hai aur uss person ka fitna hona aur baat hai (jaisa k aap ne kaha k maa hona aur baat hai fitna hona aur baat hai, maaz'Allah). Kion'k gher siref Syeda Ayesha R.A ka to nahin khud Nabi s.a.w. ka bhi hai. Iss k elawa bhi bohat se log uss gher main aane jaane wale mojood the. Kia khayal hai ager koi unn main se kissi ko fitna qarar de de. Yaad rahe yeh siref ilzaami jawab hai. hamare nazdeek ishare wali hadees ka taluq kissi bhi tarah se Syeda Ayesh R.A. ya Nabi s.a.w. k gher se hergiz nahin.
    janab uss ghar mein rehtay kon thay ?? Rasool Allah saww aur ayesha..right ?? ab aap k ghar mein daily koi mehmaan atay hon ya farz karein ko iteacher daily aata ho ap ko perhanay aap k ghar to kiya hum yeh kahein ge k yeh ghar uss teacher ka hai ?? nahi balkeh jo rehtay hon ge wohi uss ghar k maalik hon ge aur jab bhi uss ghar ki ya uss ghar k rehnay walay ki baat ki jaye gi woh yaqeenun aap ya aap ki family hi ki baat ho gi...ussi terha uss ghar mein sirf 2 loag rehtay thay Rasool Allah saww aur ayesha..ab Rasool Allah saww ghar se bahir thay aur khud keh rahay thay k yahen hai fitna...iss ka amtlab jab aap ayesha k ghar ki teraf ishara ker rahay thay to woh fitna ghar mein hi mojood tha aur uss waqt Rasool Allah saww to ghar se bahir thay..dosri baat mein ne jo 2nd hadees quote ki thi uss se saaf pata chalta hai k fitna wahin tha jis city mein aap Rasool Allah saww rehtay thay yeni madina mein na k iraq ya kisi aur doar k ilaqa mein kiun k jab aap yamen ka naam le ker keh rahay thay to phir agar iraq ki teraf fitna ki baat kertay to zaroor naam letay magar unhon ne kaha yahan fitna hai...yeh baat bhi aap ki kamzor nikali rushed sahab...

    3) Jis Ayesha R.A. ki pakeezgi per khud Allah ne gawahi di ho, Jis k motaliq Allah k Nabi s.a.w. ne apni piari beti Syeda Fatima R.A. se kaha ho k kia tu uss se mohabbat nahin kerti jis se main mohabbat kerta hoon (yani Ayesha R.A.) aur Syeda Fatima R.A. ne bhi iss mohabbat ka iqrar kia ho (Sahih Bukhari:2581). Jis ke paas Allah k Nabi s.a.w. ne aakhri waqat tak rehna pasand kia ho. Jis Syeda Ayesha R.A ko farishton k serdaar Jibra'eel A.S. tak salam kerte hon (Sahih Bukhari:3768) Uss k motaliq toheen amez kalmaat ka kehna siref unhin ki nahin Nabi s.a.w. ki bhi tohaeen hai. Aap s.a.w. ke Ahlebait ki toheen hai. Nabi s.a.w. ke deen ki toheen hain. Jo hamesha se Yahood aur Yahood k perokaron ka maqsad raha hai.
    bhai Allah ne kab gawahi di..aap shayed Surah Noor ki ayat ki baat ker rahay hain aur haar walay waqiya ki teraf ishara hai...to janab ab aap dekho k Surah Noor ki ayat ayesha ki sari gawahi k liye thi ya khaas uss waqiya k liye ?? janab woh ayat to sirf uss waqiya ki be-gunnahi k liye thi..ab aap 8 mukhtalif cases mein mujrim hain..aik mein court aap ko ba-iizat bari ker deti hai to kiya aap baki 7 se bhi bari ho jaein ge ?? nahi sirf uss case ka faisal judge ne sunaya hai jis ki baat ho rahi hai aur uss hukam ko sirf ussi case k liye use kiya ja sakta hai..issi terha ayesha haar k case mein be-gunnah thi lakin iss ka amtlab yeh nahi hai k aap uss ayat ko sari life k liye use karo aur dosri baat Surah Noor ki ayat thi character k liye jab k Surah Tahreem ki ayat utari emaan aur aqeeda k liye...hum ne character ki kabhi bhi baat nahi ki..hum to ayesha k emaan ki baat kertay hain janab kiun k emaan kharab ho to tab hi insan fitna bunta hai...aur meray bhai yeh apni books se mujhay ref. mat dein..kiun k debate k rules k khilaf hai jo baat aap ne mujhay samjhani hai shia books se ref. dein jaisa k mein aap ko samjhanay k liye sunni books se ref. de raha hoon...

    4) Bait-Ullah main buton ki misaal bhi khoob di aap ne. Bait-Ullah k buton ko khud Allah k Rasool sa.w. ne apne haathon se tora tha aur unn ka khaatma ker dia tha. Yeh Naooz/billah kaisa ftna hai k Nabi s.a.w. jis se muhabbat ki gawahi de rahe hain. Jis ko Jibra'eel A.S. Salam Arz ker rahe hain. Jis ki pakeezgi per Quran gawah ban raha hai. Jis se Nabi s.a.w. ki mohabbat ka yeh aalim hai k aakhri waqt main bhi uss ki god main rahe aur unn se juda hona aik lamhe k liye bhi pasand na kia. Syeda Ayesha R.A ki fazeelat k liye aur koi baat na bhi hoti to siref yehi aakhri baat kaafi hai. Iss k khilaaf koi jo merzi bolta rahe uss ka apna naama amaal hi siah ho ga. Chaand per thookne se thook chaand per nahin apne moon per hi girta hai.
    ghar kis ka tha Allah ka ya Rasool Allah saww ka ?? phir Allah ne kiun nahi toray buat ?? to jab Allah ne apnay ghar se fitna nahi khatam kiya aur Rasool Allah saww ne aa ker kiya ussi terha Rasool Allah saww k ghar mein jo fitna tha uss ko bhi woh khud kaisay khatam kertay ?? issi liye uss ko unn ki Ahle Bait a.s ne shikast di aur uss se muqabla kiya...
    4) Iss k elawa aap ne Syeda Ayesha aur Syeda Hafsa R.A. per Munafiq hone ka jo buhtaan baandha hai uss main Allah aap ko poora poora badla de. (Soora Tehreem wala waqia sab k saamne hai k uss ka taluq mahez bivion ki apas main baahmi raqabat ka jazba tha jo fitri hai aur issi per Allah ne inn ko tanbeeh ki k tumhare dil aik galti per jhuke hain lahaza toba ker lo. Siref itni si baat ko munafiqat kehna intaha darje ki gustakhi hai.)
    janab woh biwion ki larai nahi thi balkeh Allah k Rasool saww se gustakhi aur batameezi per Allah ne kaha k tum dono munafiq ho gaein ho...aur jab Allah ne zojaat ko kaha k apnay gharon mein bethi raho phir Allah ka hukam ki khilaf-werzi ker k woh maidan mein kaisay aa gaye ??

    Aap se mujhe kuch nahin kehna. Siref baaqi logon se kehna chahoon ga k dekh lo inn logon ki zubanen kis qader daraz hai aur inn logon k dilon main Ahle-Bait, Ashaab-e-Rasool s.a.w. k motaliq kis qader bughez bhera hai.
    pehlai baat to yeh hai k biwian Ahle Bait a.s mein shamil nahi hain...aur ashaab ko hum bhi mantay hain lakin aap kuch auron ko ashaab mein shamil ker detay hain...aap mein sahabi honay ka koi standard hi nahi hai...
    Aakhir main aik baat mazeed yeh kehna chahoon ga k Syeda Ayesha R.A. ko tum logon ka manana ya na manana koi maani nahin rakhta jo log mojooda Quran ko hi na maante hon. Jin logon k nazdeek Imamon ka rutba Anbiya se afzal ho unn se iss baat ki umeed rakhna k Sahaba Ikram k moqam ko woh sahih maan lain sire se galat hai.
    Lahaza aap se bhi guzarish hai k aap ko ager ache andaaz se guftagoo kerni hai to pehle bataie k mojooda Quran k motaliq aap ka kia aqeeda hai? Aur jo iss Quran ko tehreef'shuda mane uss ka hukam kia hai?
    bhai sahab yeh Tahreef e Quran ka topic nahi hai...agar aap ne Tahreef per kisi ka aqeeda dekhna hai to aap tahreef k topic per meray jawab dekh saktay hain aur aap ki books se aap loagon ka tahreef ka aqeeda bh isabit hai jis ka proof mein de chuka hoon...

    Umeed hai baat ko phelane ki bajae asooli baat kerte hue pehle iss sawal ka jawab anayet karen ge. Kion'k zahiiq hai koi buniad to honi chahiye jis per hamare aur aap k dermian ikhtilaaf ka faisla ho sake.
    klis baat ka pooch rahay hain agar to Quran per aqeeda ki baat ker rahay hain to uss k liye alag se aik topic aap k bhai ne start kiya jis ka mein ne halksa sa jawab diya hai..aap perh lein umeed hai tasali ho jaye gi aap ko..

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    Re: Sahih Bukhari Hadees

    Asslamoalikum 2 all muslims,

    Mufti says: {janab urdu grammer mein nazdeek ki teraf ishara kerna ho to yahan use kiya jata hai aur doar ki teraf ishara kerna ho to wahan lafz use kiya jata hai.}
    Mufti saheb kion logon ko bewaqoof bana rahe hain. Yeh koi fix rule nahin hai. Hamari aam bol chaal main bhi mashriq ki taraf ishara ker k kaha jata hai k yahan se sooraj (sun) nikle ga ya yahan se sooraj nikalta hai. Lahaza aap ka iss mann'gharat asool se istidlaal batil hai.

    Mufti says: {janab Rasool Allah saww ne fermaya yahen hai fitna...}
    Sahih Bukhari wali hadees main hergiz yeh lafaz nahin hain k yahan hai fitna. Yeh aap ka buhtaan hai aur Nabi s.a.w. k alfaaz main man'chaha matlab nikalne k liye man'chaha radd-o-badel.
    Nabi s.a.w. ne fermaia idher se hi fitne niklen ge aur Ibn-e-Umer R.A ne ishare ki simet batai k Syeda Ayesha R.A. k gher ki taraf thi jo k mashriq ki taraf tha. Iss liye doosri rawaiaat main khud wazahet ker di k mashriq ki taraf ishara ker k fermaia tha. Aur mashriq main bhi khaas Iraq. jaisa k main pehle bhi wazahet ker chukka hoon.

    Mufti says: {agar to doar yeni iraq ki baat hoti to phir kehtay wahen hai fitna..wahen se fitna nikalay ga}
    Main pehle bhi arz ker chukka hoon k yeh zaroori nahin hota k door k liye wahan k lafz istimaal kia jae. Bal'k jaise ham mashriq ki taraf ishara ker k kehte hain k yahan se sooraj nikle ga. Issi tarah Nabi s.a.w. ne mashriq ki simet ishara ker k fermaia idher se fitne niklen ge ya yahan se shetan ka seeng nikle ga. Nabi s.a.w. ne Sahih Bukhari ki hadees main hergiz kissi ka naam nahin lia. Ibn-e-Umer ne Syeda Ayesh R.A. k gher ki simet batai hai aur khud doosri rawaiaat main uss simet se muraad mashriq hi li hai. Lahaza jab khud Ibn-e-Umer ishare ki simet se mashriq aur mashriq main bhi khaas Iraq ka hona bata chukke hain phir aap ka man'maana istidlaal kaise sahih maana jae...?

    Mufti says: {ab Rasool Allah saww ghar se bahir thay aur khud keh rahay thay k yahen hai fitna...iss ka amtlab jab aap ayesha k ghar ki teraf ishara ker rahay thay to woh fitna ghar mein hi mojood tha}
    Aap k yeh alfaaz hi iss baat ki daleel hain k aap k dil main siref bughez hai jo aap ko aise matlab nikalne per majboor ker raha hai. Main aap ko challenge kerta hoon k yeh baat uss hadees main se nikaal ker dikha dain k Nabi s.a.w. ne Syeda Ayesha R.A. k gher ki taraf ishara kia ho aur kaha ho k yahan hai fitna aur woh fitna ghar main mojood tha.
    Bal'k abb aap khud dekhen k hadess k lafaz hain idher hi se fitne niklen ge. Jab aap k motabiq Syeda Ayesha R.A. gher main hi theen to keh dete k iss gher main hai fitna. Jab'k aisa nahin kaha iss ka matlab yeh k aap jhoot bhi bol rahe hain aur aap ka istidlaal bhi batil hai.
    Aap grammer ki bhi bari baat kerte hain. khud dekhie k Nabi s.a.w. ne hadees main fermaia fitne yeh nahin kaha k fitna.

    Mufti says: {agar iraq ki teraf fitna ki baat kertay to zaroor naam letay magar unhon ne kaha yahan fitna hai...yeh baat bhi aap ki kamzor nikali rushed sahab...}
    Yeh baat to main aap ki pehle bhi jhoot saabit ker chukka hoon k Nabi s.a.w. ne yeh kaha ho k yahan fitna hai. Abb rahi Iraq k naam ki baat to jin Ibn-e-Umer R.A ne ishare ki simet Syeda Ayesha R.A. ka gher batai thi wohi Ibn-e-Umer R.A. uss simet ka matlab mashriq bian ker chukke hai aur mashriq main bhi khaas Iraq. Aap iss istidlaal ho hergiz nahin tor sakte inshaAllah. Sawae issi tarah k Nabi s.a.w. aur hadees k alfaaz main man maani tehreefaat karen.
    Doosra yeh k Nabi s.a.w. ka apna bian bhi mojood hai Iraq k motaliq k wahan fitne ublen ge aur shetan ka seeng namoodar ho ga.(hawala neeche mojood hai.)

    Iss ke elawa aap ne jo Syeda Ayesha per man'gharrat ilzaam lagaen hain woh aap ka khubs-e-batin hai. Allah ne Syeda Ayesha ki be-gunahi Allah ne Quran main ziker ki hai. Woh Allah jo dunia k wakeel ya judges ki tarah nahin k uss k saamne aik maamla to ho doosra nahin.

    Soorah tehreem ka jo pas-e-manzer hain uss main saaf mojood hai k Syeda Ayesha aur Syeda Hafsa ne Nabi s.a.w. ki mohabbat main iss baat ko na'pasand kia k aap doosri biwi k paas shahed khaen aur iss per yeh sara waqia pesh aaya aur Allah ne soorah tehreem ki tanbeehi Aayaat nazil kin. Iss saare maamle main emaan ki bahes kahan se aa gai. Tanbeehi Aayaat ager Syeda Ayesha R.A. aur Syeda Hafsa R.A. k motaliq mojood hain to aisi tanbeehi Aayaat khud Nabi s.a.w. k liye bhi mojood hain. Aur aap se kuch baeed nahin k aap log Nabi s.a.w. ke emaan per bhi bahes kero(naooz'billah). Allah dilon ko terha hone se mehfooz rakhe, Aameen.

    Mufti says: {ghar kis ka tha Allah ka ya Rasool Allah saww ka ?? phir Allah ne kiun nahi toray buat ?? to jab Allah ne apnay ghar se fitna nahi khatam kiya aur Rasool Allah saww ne aa ker kiya ussi terha Rasool Allah saww k ghar mein jo fitna tha uss ko bhi woh khud kaisay khatam kertay ?? }
    Wah kia khoob istidlaal hai. Kuch to sharam kero. Allah to her cheez ka khaaliq hai. woh kissi ko jawab'de nahin mager uss k aage sab jawab'de hain. Allah ham se hissab le ga. Ham Allah se hisaab nahin lain ge. Allah ne elania buton ka radd kia aur uss k lye apne Nabi s.a.w. ko maboos kia. Nabi s.a.w. ne to na kissi ka naam lia aur na kissi ko aise kissi fitne k liye muqarar kia. Uss k muqable main Nabi s.a.w. ka aakhri waqat tak Syeda Ayesha R.A. ka saath pasand kerna aisi haqeeqat hai k tum jaise logon k liye bohat bhaari hai. Aur tum jaise logon k tamam ilzamaat ka siref yehi jawab kaafi hai.

    Mufti says: { Rasool saww se gustakhi aur batameezi per Allah ne kaha k tum dono munafiq ho gaein ho...}
    Allah ki qasam yeh bohat barra jhoot hai Allah ne hergiz nahin kaha k tum donon munafiq ho gai ho. Allah ki laanat ho jhooton per. Aaj bhi Nabi s.a.w. ki qaber Syeda Ayesha R.A. k hujre main hona iss baat ki daleel hai tamam k tamam sahaba Ikram saath tamam Ahl-e-Bait k iss baat per motafiq the k Nabi s.a.w. ko Syeda Ayesha k hujre main hi dafan kia jae. Iss baat per kissi aik ne bhi yeh aitraaz na kia k naooz'billah aik munafiqa k gher Nabi s.a.w. ko kion dafan kia jae. Syedna Ali R.A. per yeh ilzaam k unhon ne aik munafiqa k gher (naooz'billah) Nabi s.a.w. ko dafan ker dia intahai darje ki gustaakhi hai. Allah ki laanat ho aise gustakhon per.

    Mufti says: {pehlai baat to yeh hai k biwian Ahle Bait a.s mein shamil nahi hain}
    Allah ne Quran main jo aayet naazil ki hai jis main Ahle-Bait ko gandgi se door rakhne ka faisla kia hai uss main khitaab hi Nabi s.a.w. ki bevion se hai aur kissi se nahin. Lahaza aap ka yeh kehna k bivian Ahl-e-Bait main shamil nahin Quran k sareeh khilaaf hai aur sawae din ko raat aur raat ko din saabit kerne k koi maani nahin rakhta.

    Hamari baat kaafi phel chukki hai lahaza aap se guzarish hai k jo topic start kia gaya tha siref uss k motabiq hi aap k paas koi aur daleel ho to baat karen. Iss mozoo per main aap k kai jhoot aur man'maani tehreefaat saamne la chukka hoon. Lhaza baat ko idher udher le ker jaane ki bajae topic per hi rahen to behter ho ga. Iss k elawa main aap ki bila'daleel aur moon'phut baton ka jawab nahin doon ga.

    Tehreef-e-Quran k topic per main ussi main baat keroon ga, InshaAllah.
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    Re: Sahih Bukhari Hadees

    Quote Originally Posted by rushed
    Asslamoalikum 2 all muslims,


    Mufti saheb kion logon ko bewaqoof bana rahe hain. Yeh koi fix rule nahin hai. Hamari aam bol chaal main bhi mashriq ki taraf ishara ker k kaha jata hai k yahan se sooraj (sun) nikle ga ya yahan se sooraj nikalta hai. Lahaza aap ka iss mann'gharat asool se istidlaal batil hai.

    rushed sahab ab agar aap un-perh hon to iss ka matlab yeh nahi hai k hum sab ko hi un-perh bana dein...agar nazdeek aur doar mein koi farq hi nahi hai aap k khayal mein to yeh words yahan,wahan aur here & there language hain hi kiun...bhai sahab apni ghalat baat ko sahi kernay k liye aap to her haqeeqat ko jhutla rahay hain

    Sahih Bukhari wali hadees main hergiz yeh lafaz nahin hain k yahan hai fitna. Yeh aap ka buhtaan hai aur Nabi s.a.w. k alfaaz main man'chaha matlab nikalne k liye man'chaha radd-o-badel.
    Nabi s.a.w. ne fermaia idher se hi fitne niklen ge aur Ibn-e-Umer R.A ne ishare ki simet batai k Syeda Ayesha R.A. k gher ki taraf thi jo k mashriq ki taraf tha. Iss liye doosri rawaiaat main khud wazahet ker di k mashriq ki taraf ishara ker k fermaia. Aur mashriq main bhi khaas Iraq. jaisa k main pehle bhi wazaher ker chukka hoon.
    bhai sahab idhar nazdeek k liye use hota hai na ?? aur doar k liye udhar use hota hai..aur mein ne koi changing nhi ki scan page aap k samnay hai aap ki sahih bukhari ka aap hi batao k lafz yahen nahi hai kiya ?? aankhein bund ker lenay se haqeeqat to nahi chup sakti rushed sahab...deeth bun ker kisi baat se inkar kertay rehna alag baat hai lakin aap ki baaton se saaf lag raha hai k iss hadees ko maan aap bhi rahay ho k yeh ishara ussi hi teraf tha )


    Main pehle bhi arz ker chukka hoon k yeh zaroori nahin hota k door k liye wahan k lafz istimaal kia jae. Bal'k jaise ham mashriq ki taraf ishara ker k kehte hain k yahan se sooraj nikle ga. Issi tarah Nabi s.a.w. ne mashriq ki simet ishara ker k fermaia idher se fitne niklen ge ya yahan se shetan ka sseng nikle ga. Nabi s.a.w. ne Sahih Bukhari ki hadees main hergiz kissi ka naam nahin lia. Ibn-e-Umer ne Syeda Ayesh R.A. k gher ki simet batai hai aur khud doosri rawaiaat main uss simet se muraad mashriq hi li hai. Lahaza jab khud Ibn-e-Umer ishare ki simet se mashriq aur mashriq main bhi khaas Iraq ka hona bata chukke hain phir aap ka man'maana istidlaal kaise sahih maana jae...?
    janab uss k liye mein ne dosri ayat bhi quote ki hai aap k liye ta k aap loag hamesha ki terha apni hi books ki ahadees se mukar na jaein...aur uss ayat se saaf zahir hota hai k yamen mein emaan hai aur madina mein jahan Rasool Allah saww uss waqt reh rahay thay wahan fitna aur unhon ne bata diya hai k madina mein kahan fitna hai yeni ayesha k ghar mein..

    Aap k yeh alfaaz hi iss baat ki daleel hain k aap k dil main siref bughez hai jo aap ko aise matlab nikalne per majboor ker raha hai. Main aap ko challenge kerta hoon k yeh baat uss hadees main se nikaal ker dikha dain k Nabi s.a.w. ne Syeda Ayesha R.A. k gher ki taraf ishara kia ho aur kaha ho k yahan hai fitna aur woh fitna ghar main mojood tha.
    Bal'k abb aap khud dekhen k hadess k lafaz hain idher hi se fitne niklen ge. Jab aap k motabiq Syeda Ayesha R.A. gher main hi theen to keh dete k iss gher main hai fitna. Jab'k aisa nahin kaha iss ka matlab yeh k aap jhoot bhi bol rahe hain aur aap ka istidlaal bhi batil hai.
    Aap grammer ki bhi bari baat kerte hain. khud dekhie k Nabi s.a.w. ne hadees main fermaia fitne niklen ge yeh nahin kaha k fitna hai.
    hahahaha rushed sahab aap pehlay iss hadees se bach to paaein phir challenge kerna janab...to janab uss baat se kiya matlab zahir hota hai ?? abhi aap keh rahay thay k jaisay hum kehtay hain k ishar hi se sooraj nikalta hai to mein kahon k aap ne shumal ki baat ki hai k wahan se sooraj nikalta hai agar aap ne mashriq ki teraf ishara kerna hota to keh detay k mashriq hi se sooraj nikalta hai..to aap kiya kaho ge ?? rushed sahab ab aap bachon ki terha fazool keeray mat nikalo..aap buri terha phans chukay ho iss hadees mein ) aur aap ne aik aur jhoot bola k Rasool Allah ne yeh nahi fermaya k Rasool Allah ne yeh nahi fermaya k fitna hai..to janab jab aap ne hadees perhi hi nahi hai to kiun bewaqoofon ki terha khud bhi sharminda ho rahay hain aur apnay dosray bhaion ko bhi ker rhay hain ) aik baar hadees phir perho..Rasool Allah ne ayesha k ghar ki teraf ishara ker k 3 baar femraya YAHEN FITNA HAI>>YAHEN FITNA HAI>>YAHEN FITNA HAI...aap pehlay perhein hadees ko achi terha phir debate karein...baghair perhay aap ne debate shuru ker di hai tabhi to her baat mein jhootay ho rahay hain aap...


    Yeh baat to main aap ki pehle bhi jhoot saabit ker chukka hoon k Nabi s.a.w. ne yeh kaha ho k yahan fitna hai. Abb rahi Iraq k naam ki baat to jin Ibn-e-Umer R.A ne ishare ki simet Syeda Ayesha R.A. ka gher batai thi wohi Ibn-e-Umer R.A. uss simet ka matlab mashriq bian ker chukke hai aur mashriq main bhi khaas Iraq. Aap iss istidlaal ho hergiz nahin tor sakte inshaAllah. Sawae issi tarah k Nabi s.a.w. aur hadees k alfaaz main man maani tehreefaat karen.
    hahahahha MashAllah aap to mahan niklalay phir to..hadees perhi nahi aur baat meri jhooti ker di...ab aap dekho hadees ko aur phir batao k jhoota kon hai mein ya aap ?? aur hadees k alfaz mein tahreefat koi na ker sakta hai na kisi ne ki hai kiun k scan page sab k samnay hai..sirf aap hadees k alfaz se mukar ker ulta mujahy hi jhoota keh rhay hain k Rasool Allah ne yeh nhi fermaya k yahen fitna hai..jab k hadees mein saaf likha hai k 3 baar aap ne aisa fermaya...rushed sahab thori aur mehnat karein apni ahadees se mukar janay ki...mukernay ki Allah aap ko mazeed taqat de..ameen )

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    Re: Sahih Bukhari Hadees

    Asslamoalaikum 2 all muslims,

    Hadees k dalael k saath tashreeh main ker chukka hoon aur ishare ka mafhoom bhi khud Ibn-e-Umer R.A. k alfaaz se saabit ker chukka hoon k iss se muraad mashriq thi aur mashriq main bhi khaas Iraq. Lahaza hamen hadees ka munkir hone ki zaroorat nahin.

    Masla to aap ko hai jo hadees k lafaz "fitne niklen ge" ko "fitna mojood tha" aur kabhi "fitna hai" se badal ker apna man' gharrat aur gustakhana matlab nikaal rahe the. Jis se aap k jhoot aur galat istidlal ki wazahet saamne aa chukki hai.

    Bhaer'haal jo bhi hai sab k saamne aa chukka hai k Nabi s.a.w. ne sarahet k saath bhi Iraq ko hi fitne nikalne ka moqam bataia hai aur shetan k seeng namoodar hone ka moqam bhi. Sareeh ahadees k moqable main aap k jhoote, gustakhana aur man'gharrat istadlalaat kon sunta hai...?

    Allah hadayat de aur hamare dilon ko Ahle-Bait aur Sahaba Ikraam ki sachi mohabbat se bher de, Aameen

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    Re: Sahih Bukhari Hadees

    Quote Originally Posted by mufti-e-azam
    sahih bukhari ki hadees hai k Rasool Allah ne hazrat ayesha k ghar ki teraf ishara ker k 3 baar fermaya yahen fitna hai..yahen se fitna shaitan k seeng ki terha nikalay ga...khan001,mohsin iqbal aur dosray users se mein request kerta hoon k woh iss topic per aa ker iss sahih hadees k baray mein bataein...

    source: http://www.ahlelbayt.com/articles/hadith/horns-of-satan

    Hadith About Aisha’s House and Satan’s Horns [A Sunni Perspective]

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    Praise be to Allah for giving us this opportunity to defend the Prophet’s wife. Truly what an amazing honor this is. May Allah raise us up with those who defend the Ahlel Bayt, as opposed to those who slander the blessed Ahlel Bayt. As for those who slander and insult the Prophet’s own wives, we can only imagine the Prophet’s anger towards these erring people; indeed, not even the vilest and most debased Shia would tolerate someone insulting his own wife! It will be the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama’ah that will forever guard the honor of our Beloved’s beloved.

    Shia Slander Against the Mother of the Believers

    Despite the fact that Umm al Mu’mineen Aisha is part of the blessed Ahlel Bayt, the Shia propagandists revile her; of the many slanders they utter against her, one of their favorites is to claim that the “horns of Satan” or the “head of Satan” would emerge from Aisha’s house. This is based on their horrible misinterpretation of Sunni Hadith which they then propagate amongst the ignorant ones amongst the Sunnis.

    Let us read the false translations and even falser interpretations made by the Shia propaganda website, Al-Islam.org:

    Al-Islam.org says
    “ The Prophet of Allah (PBUH&HF) warned the Ummah against her on several occasions…

    Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 4.336
    Narrated Abdullah:

    The Prophet stood up and delivered a sermon, and pointed to the house of Aisha, and said: “Fitna (trouble/sedition) is right here,” saying three times, “from where the side of the Satan’s head comes out.”

    In the above tradition the Prophet predicted the sedition which Aisha will bring for Muslims and that she will be seduced by Satan for instigating the first civil war in the history of Islam.

    Muslim has also related in his Sahih from Ikrima Ibn Ammar from Salim from Ibn Umar who said:

    “The Prophet of Allah (PBUH&HF) emerged from the house of Aisha and said. ‘The pivot of disbelief is from here, where the horns of Satan will rise.’”

    Sunni reference: Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, the Chapter of Seditions, v4, p2229
    source: http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter1a/10.html

    A Similar Accusation Made By the Anti-Islam Orientalists

    Unbeknownst to many Shia is the fact that this same Hadith is used by the Anti-Islam Orientalists (i.e. Non-Muslims) who seek to defile the good name of Prophet Muhammad. These Orientalists argue that the Prophet predicted that Satan’s horns would emerge from Aisha’s house, and then they are quick to mention that the Prophet himself was buried inside Aisha’s house! It is disconcerting how the Shia propagandists–in their overzealous attempts to slander the Ahlel Bayt (i.e. the Prophet’s wives)–have unwittingly allied themselves with Orientalists.

    Indeed, if the Hadith in question is actually in reference to Aisha’s house, then nobody can deny that the Orientalists have rightfully pointed out that the Prophet was buried in that same house. If we take this interpretation, then we are led to the conclusion that Satan’s horn emerged from the Prophet himself; this claim has been made by the Christians for a very long time, whereby they argue that Prophet Muhammad was not sent by Allah but was rather one of Satan’s agents. The Christians argue that the Prophet was doomed by his own prophecy, in a similar fashion that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed of the Qadianis was doomed by his own prophecy. (Mirza Ghulam Ahmed had claimed to be a prophet after our Prophet Muhammad; he also prophecized that false prophets die from illnesses such as cholera. Ironically, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed himself died from cholera.)

    Today, a very large mosque is built over Aisha’s house, known as al-Masjid al-Nabawi (the Prophet’s Mosque). Are the Shia implying that the Horn of Satan would emerge from the second holiest mosque of Islam? Do they say that the Horn of Satan would emerge from the Prophet’s Mosque (not “Aisha’s Mosque”)? The Shia are agreed upon the sanctity of the Prophet’s Mosque, and yet at the same time they dare to make accusations that this was the site from where Satan’s horns would emerge?

    The Hadiths in Question

    In fact, the Hadiths in question have nothing at all to do with Aisha, but rather the Prophet was simply pointing in the direction of the East towards Iraq (i.e. the Persian Empire at that time). An analogy of this is if a man asks which direction is Qiblah, and his friend points towards a certain house on the street. This simply means that Qiblah is in that direction. The Prophet did not at all mean that Aisha’s house would be the source of Satan’s horns, but rather he meant the East. In relation to where the Prophet was standing, Aisha’s house simply happened to be in the direction of the East.

    Shia Chat Member says
    “ This Hadith has been narrated in the Sahihayn, in both Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari.



    Indeed. Now let us reproduce the Hadiths from both Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari. We read:

    Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6938:

    Ibn Umar reported that he heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying while he had turned his face towards the East: “Behold, turmoil would appear from this side, from where the horns of Satan would appear.”

    http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... l#041.6938

    Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6939:

    Ibn Umar reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood by the door (of the apartment of) gafsa and, pointing towards the East, he said: “The turmoil would appear from this side, viz. where the horns of Satan would appear,” and he uttered these words twice or thrice; and Ubaidullah in his narration said: the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) had been standing by the door of Aisha.

    http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... l#041.6939

    Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6940:

    Salim b. Abdullah reported on the authority of his father that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him), while turning his face towards the East, said: “The turmoil would appear from this side; verily, the turmoil would appear from this side; verily, the turmoil would appear from this side–the side where appear the horns of Satan.”

    http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... l#041.6940

    Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6941:

    Ibn Umar reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) came out from the house of Aisha and said: “It would be from this side (pointing to the East) that there would appear the height of unbelief, viz. where appear the horns of Satan.”

    http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... l#041.6941

    Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6942:

    Ibn Umar reported: I heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying while pointing his hands towards the East: “The turmoil would appear from this side; verily, the turmoil would appear from this side (he repeated it thrice) where appear the horns of Satan.”

    http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... l#041.6942

    Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6943:

    Ibn Fudail reported on the authority of his father that he heard Salim b. Abdullah b. Umar as saying: O people of Iraq, how strange it is that you ask about the minor sins but commit major sins? I heard from my father Abdullah b. Umar, narrating that he heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying while pointing his hand towards the East: “Verily, the turmoil would come from this side, from where appear the horns of Satan and you would strike the necks of one another…”

    http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... l#041.6943

    Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 53, Number 336:

    Narrated Abdullah:

    The Prophet stood up and delivered a sermon, and pointing towards Aisha’s house (i.e. Eastwards), he said thrice, “Affliction (will appear from) here,” and, “from where the side of the Satan’s head comes out (i.e. from the East).”

    http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... 8.sbt.html

    Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 88, Number 212:

    Narrated Salim’s father:

    The Prophet stood up beside the pulpit (and pointed with his finger towards the East) and said, “Afflictions are there! Afflictions are there, from where the side of the head of Satan comes out,” or said, “..the side of the sun..” (i.e. the sun emerges from the East)

    http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... 8.sbt.html

    Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 88, Number 213:

    Narrated Ibn Umar:

    I heard Allah’s Apostle while he was facing the East, saying, “Verily! Afflictions are there, from where the side of the head of Satan comes out.”

    http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... 8.sbt.html

    Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 88, Number 214:

    Narrated Ibn Umar:

    The Prophet said, “O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen.” The People said, “And also on our Najd (i.e. Iraq).” He said, “O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham (North)! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen (South).” The people said, “O Allah’s Apostle! And also on our Najd (i.e. Iraq).” I think the third time the Prophet said, “There (in the Najd, i.e. Iraq) is the place of earthquakes and afflictions and from there comes out the side of the head of Satan.”

    http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... 8.sbt.html

    Iraq was at that time referred to by the Arabs as the Najd, as stated in “Najd Qarnu ash-Shaytan”. This has been stated by al-Khattabi, al-Kirmani, al-Ayni, an-Nawawi, Ibn Hajr and others. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Hajr said:

    “Al-Khattabi said: ‘For the one who is in Medinah, then his Najd would be the desert of Iraq and its regions (baadiya al-Iraaq wa Nawaaheehaa) for this is to the East of the People of Medinah.”

    This is made abundantly clear by the same narration recorded in alternate wording:

    Al-Mu’jam al-Kabeer, Compiled by Imam Al-Tabarani:

    Narrated by Ibn Abbas:

    The Prophet supplicated and said, “O Allah bestow your blessings on our Shaam and Yemen.” A person from amongst the people said, “O Prophet of Allah, and Iraq?” He said, “Indeed there (in Iraq) is the Horn of Satan, and the trials and tribulations will come like mounting waves, and indeed harshness is in the East.”

    “Pointed Towards”, Not “Pointed To”

    It is Hadith Number 336 of Vol.4, Book 53 of Sahih Bukhari that the Shia propagandists rely on most, namely because the translator used by the USC website (Muhsin Khan) made a mistake in his translation. He translates it as “pointed to Aisha’s house” instead of “pointed towards Aisha’s house.” However, the proper translation is “pointed towards” and not “pointed to.” In the Arabic text of said Hadith, the words are “fa-ashaara nahwa (towards) maskani `a’ishah” and not “fa-ashaara ila (to) maskani `a’ishah”. Therefore, we see that the Prophet was simply pointing towards the direction of Aisha’s house, and not at Aisha’s house specifically.

    The Persian Empire: Wherefrom Satan’s Horns Emerged

    At that time in history, Iraq was part of the Persian Empire; the Prophet had dispatched an ambassador to the Persian Chosroes inviting him to Islam. The haughty Persian leader scoffed at the Prophet’s call, rejecting to accept the “lowly” Arab “barbarians” as spiritual leaders over and above the “mighty” Persians. Soon thereafter, the Muslim Ummah would be propelled into an all-out war with the the Persian Empire; Caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab blitzed across Iraq and this is when the Fitnah began for the Muslims. The perceptive reader should keep in mind that before the fall of Persia, the Muslim Ummah was united under its Caliph and Dar al-Islam was expanding its borders. Right after the liberation of Iraq from Persian domination, the assassinations of Caliphs began.

    The Muslims had indeed defeated the haughty and proud Persian Empire, but the Persians carefully planned their revenge. The Persian governor Harmuzan was pardoned by the Caliph, but he conspired against the Muslims to avenge his humiliating defeat. The conquered Persians plotted against the Muslims, and it was their conspiracy plans which no doubt the Prophet was referring to as “Satan’s horns”. It was from the ashes of the Persian Empire that the Shia sect was formed, a mix between Islam and Zoroastrianism as well as Persian nationalism.

    The Persian governor Harmuzan became partners with Jafeena Al-Khalil and Saba bin Shamoon (whose son was Abdullah ibn Saba, founder of the Shia sect); these three men hired Feroz Abu Lulu, a Persian POW from Iraq, to assassinate Caliph Umar. Today, the modern day Persian Shia venerate Abu Lulu, and they call him “Baba Shuja-e-din” which can be translated as “Honored Defender of Religion.” These Shia have a shrine erected for this murderer, located in the Iranian city of Kashan called the Abu Lulu Mausoleum wherein he is buried. The Shia travel from far distances to pray inside this shrine, and many of the Shia fast on the day that Umar was killed, and even pass out sweets. Feroz Abu Lulu is one of the venerated founding figures of Shia ideology; the same people who conspired to kill Umar were the ones who planted the seeds of the Shia movement.

    Abu Lulu was hired by three men, and the third of these three was the father of Abdullah ibn Saba, founder of the Shia faith. His intention in creating the Shia faith was to create a sect within Islam that would split its ranks, create disunity, and–quite frankly–to forever be a rebel movement against mainstream Islamic governments. And if we look throughout history, we find that the Shia have always been rebels and turncoats, one of the reasons they are referred to as “Rafidhis” (or turncoats). Not only they were turncoats, but these Shia were Ahl al-Bidah (People of Innovation) for they adultered Islam with their Magian beliefs. This was the Satan’s horn that emerged from the East, and no doubt this is what the Prophet was referring to.

    Aisha Did Not Start the Fitnah

    The Shia argue that it was Aisha who started the Fitnah in the ranks of the Muslims by organizing an army against Ali. But in fact, this is incorrect. First of all, Aisha did not leave her house with the intention of instigating an armed revolt against Ali. Instead, she left her house only with the intention of Islah (reformation). In Tareekh Al-Tabari, the events precipitating the Battle of the Camel are recorded. Al-Tabari narrates that a man asked Aisha why she had come to visit Ali, saying: “O mother, what moved you and pushed you to this country?” She answered: “O son, to reconcile between people.”

    The word “Fitnah” refers to turmoil which causes disunity in the ranks of the Muslim Ummah. Even before the time of the Battle of Camel, the Muslim ranks had become split, so why should the Shia blame this on Aisha? The Fitnah began right after the Persians assassinated the Caliph of the Muslims, which pre-dated the Battle of the Camel. In fact, it was the murder of Umar ibn al-Khattab by the Persians that started the chain reaction which resulted in the Battle of the Camel. Ubaidallah, Umar’s son, avenged the murder of his father by plotting to kill the three men who hired the assassin Abu Lulu. Ubaidallah was successful in killing two of the three men, but the third–Saba bin Shamoon–survived, and he demanded that Ubaidallah be executed for his double murder. Caliph Uthman, however, showed Ubaidallah mercy, despite Ali who advised the Caliph to execute him for his crime of vigilante murder.

    The fact that Uthman showed mercy upon Ubaidallah angered Saba bin Shamoon and his son, Abdullah ibn Saba. These two men looked sympathetically towards Ali, due to the fact that Ali had taken a harsh stance towards Ubaidallah’s actions. It was thus that Abdullah ibn Saba “converted” to Islam and founded the Shia sect, calling the masses to adore Ali and agitating them against Uthman. It was Abdullah ibn Saba’s propaganda against Uthman that helped fan the flames of civil discontent and caused the people to rise against the Caliph. And so it was that the Saba’ites (followers of Abdullah ibn Saba) assassinated Uthman.

    This murder of Uthman led to the rise of Ali as Caliph; the people demanded of Ali that he apprehend the killers of Uthman and this was the cause of the Battle of Camel. The people were upset with Ali for failing to apprehend the killers of Uthman–who happened to be in his own party, but Ali chose to delay apprehending them due to the fact that he did not want to alienate his own supporters in this time of civil discontent when he needed them the most. So Ali decided to delay on apprehending the killers until after he consolidated his power as Caliph, but the people were threatening to revolt against and even kill Ali, who was even wrongfully implicated in the murder of Uthman. And so it was that some of the people appealed to the Prophet’s wife to go talk to the Caliph on their behalf. Aisha agreed to do this, only to prevent bloodshed and furnish Islah (reformation) between the ranks of the Muslims. Aisha was hopeful that she could convince Ali to find the killers and apprehend them posthaste.

    When the Saba’ite killers of Uthman found out that Aisha was on her way to meet the Caliph in order to urge him to apprehend the assassins, this naturally made them antsy and fear for their lives. So it was they who attacked Aisha’s contingent and thus began the Battle of the Camel, a result of the chain reaction that began with the Persian murder of Caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab. It was thus that the Persians were the cause of the Fitnah, and Aisha was innocent of that. Today, we find that the modern day Shia are soft towards the Persian conspirators but harsh towards the Mother of the Believers! The truth is that the Shia propagandists will be raised with those they love, and they will be raised up with the likes of the Persian Abu Lulu, whereas the Muslims will be raised with the blessed Ahlel Bayt including the Prophet’s wives. The Shia of today are the remnants of the Magian Persian Empire, and they are from where Satan’s horns emerged.

    Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Hajar said:

    “The People of the East were disbelievers at that time and the Messenger of Allah informed us that the trials and tribulations would arise from that direction and it was as he said. And the first of the trials that arose, arose from the direction of the East and they were the reason for the splitting of the Muslim ranks, and this is what Satan loves and delights in. Likewise the innovations appeared from that direction.” (Fath al-Bari 13/58)

    Conclusion

    The Prophet was not at all referring to his own wife. If that were the case, then nothing prevented him from simply pointing to his wife, instead of pointing towards Aisha’s house in the direction of the East. In fact, although this Hadith is abused by the Shia propagandists, in reality this same Hadith is a damnation of the Shia themselves for it was they who the Prophet was warning against us. May Allah save us from Shi’ism, the horn of Satan.

    It is inconceivable that the Prophet of Islam would be buried at the spot wherefrom Satan’s horns emerged. May Allah bless the Prophet’s Ahlel Bayt including his wives, the Mother of the Believers.

    Article Written By: Ibn al-Hashimi, http://www.ahlelbayt.com

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    Re: Sahih Bukhari Hadees

    Quote Originally Posted by rushed
    Asslamoalaikum 2 all muslims,

    Hadees k dalael k saath tashreeh main ker chukka hoon aur ishare ka mafhoom bhi khud Ibn-e-Umer R.A. k alfaaz se saabit ker chukka hoon k iss se muraad mashriq thi aur mashriq main bhi khaas Iraq. Lahaza hamen hadees ka munkir hone ki zaroorat nahin.
    aap sabit karo k kisi bhi language mein here & there ya yahan aur wahan ka istemal nahi hota...rushed sahab aap jitna bhi bhaag lein aap iss baat ko sabit nahi ker saktay k ishara ayesha k ghar ki teraf nhi tha..
    Masla to aap ko hai jo hadees k lafaz "fitne niklen ge" ko "fitna mojood tha" aur kabhi "fitna hai" se badal ker apna man' gharrat aur gustakhana matlab nikaal rahe the. Jis se aap k jhoot aur galat istidlal ki wazahet saamne aa chukki hai.

    ) aap shayed hadees perh ker zehnai tawazun kho chukay hain rushed sahab iss liye aap Hadees ko sahi se samajh hi nahi paye...Hadees ko dobara perhein..Rasool Allah ne ayesha k ghar ki teraf ishara ker k 3 dafa fermaya yahen fitna hai aur yahen se fitna shaitan k seeng ki terha nikalay ga...janab dono present aur future terms use hui hain..jab aap Ferma rhay thay uss waqt fitna ussi ghar mein tha magar woh fitna shaitan k seeng ki terha future mein nikalay ga..ab to aap k zehan mein baat ghuss gaye ho gi )

    Bhaer'haal jo bhi hai sab k saamne aa chukka hai k Nabi s.a.w. ne sarahet k saath bhi Iraq ko hi fitne nikalne ka moqam bataia hai aur shetan k seeng namoodar hone ka moqam bhi. Sareeh ahadees k moqable main aap k jhoote, gustakhana aur man'gharrat istadlalaat kon sunta hai...?
    aap sabit karo k woh ishara iraq ki teraf tha jab k mein ne 2 ahadees se sabit kiya hai k ishara ayesha k ghar ki teraf tha aur woh fitna Madina mein tha na k iraq mein aur aap apnay molvion ki terha zubani hi apni baat ko sahi sabit kernay ki koshish ker rhay hain ) himmat karo rushed sahab...
    Allah hadayat de aur hamare dilon ko Ahle-Bait aur Sahaba Ikraam ki sachi mohabbat se bher de, Aameen
    Ameen aur asli ftinon ko pehchananay ki aap ko taqat bhi de )

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    Ali jan tum to aik fazool insan ho jis ko aqal use kerna na aati ho aur sirf copy paste kerna hi janta ho uss per mein time waste kerna mein apni tauheen samajhta hoon..jab tumhain aqal use kerna aa jaye to mujhay batana to mein tum se debate start ker lon ga...

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    Asslamoalikum 2 all muslims,

    Mufti says:{ishara ker k 3 dafa fermaya yahen fitna hai aur yahen se fitna shaitan k seeng ki terha nikalay ga}

    Main neeche alfaaz hadees k laga raha hoon. Sab khud dekh sakte hain k alfaaz "fitna hai" k hain ya "fitne niklen ge" k. Hadees main saaf "fitna" lafaz ki bajae "fitne" ka lafaz hai aur "hai" ki bajae "niklen ge" ka. Mager iss k bawajood mufti sahib apni galat baat per arre hue hain k fitna uss waqat gher main mojood tha. Allah inhen hadayat de, Aameen

    Mufti says: {janab dono present aur future terms use hui hain}

    Neeche hadees k alfaaz tamam log dekh sakte hain k donon terms future ki use hui hain present ki aik bhi nahin. Pehli "fitne nilen ge" aur doosri "shetan ka sir namoo'dar ho ga". Mufti saheb musalsal jhoot pe jhoot bolte ja rahe hain. Siref baat itni hai k jo jhoot shuroo se le ker woh bol rahe hain uss ko manana mushkil ho raha hai.

    Tamam parrhne walon se guzarish hai k iss poore topic ko shuroo se parrhen aur khud molahiza karen k mufti saheb bechare baat ko kis kis tarah ghuma ker oot-patang bolte rahe hain. Hamari bohat si baaten inn per jawab'de hain aur inn k paas unn ki aik bhi daleel nahin sawae bad'zubani k jo shia qom ka wateera hai.
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    Re: Sahih Bukhari Hadees

    Quote Originally Posted by rushed
    Asslamoalaikum 2 all muslims,

    Sahih Bukhari ki hadees main Nabi s.a.w. ne kisi ka naam nahin lia. Syeda Ayesha R.A. k gher ki taraf ishara kerna Ibn-e-Umer R.A. k alfaaz hain. Ibn-e-Umer R.A. khud iss ki wazahet ker chukke hain k ishara kerna mashriq ki taraf tha. Mashriq main bhi khaas Iraq.
    naam lenay ki zaroorat hi kiya thi ?? jab ishara ker diya jaisay kal hi aap ne misaal di thi k aap ishara karein k wahan se sooraj nikalta hai to koi kiya samjhay ga k shumal ki ya junoob ki baat ker raha hai kiun k iss ne naam to liya hi nahi ?? aur nazdeek k liye ishara ker dena hi kafi hota hai agar woh doar ka ishara kertay to zaroor kisi khaas jagah ka naam letay kiun k mashriq mein sirf iraq nahi tha iran bhi aata hai,turkey bhi aata hai aur bhi bohat si countries ki teraf ishara ho jata hai phir...aur waisay bhi lafz yahen use hua hai jo k nazdeek k liye use kiya gaya hai...to aap ki baat to bilkul hi be-buniyad ho jati hai meri dosri hadees se jab Aap ne kaha yahen fitna hai...


    Main neeche alfaaz hadees k laga raha hoon. Sab khud dekh sakte hain k baat present ki ho rahi hai ya future ki. Mager iss k bawajood mufti sahib apni galat baat per arre hue hain k fitna uss waqat gher main mojood tha. Allah inhen hadayat de, Aameen
    janab aap ne sirf aik Hadees se hi kiun quote kiya ?? jab k agar aap dosri hadees ko perhein to wahan Rasool Allah present k liye fermaya hai k emaan yamen mein hai aur fitna yahan hai...to janab iss se sabit hota hai k fitna mojood tha jo shaitan kseeng ki terha future mein nikalay ga )

    Tamam parrhne walon se guzarish hai k iss poore topic ko shuroo se parrhen aur khud molahiza karen k mufti saheb bechare baat ko kis kis tarah ghuma ker oot-patang bolte rahe hain. Hamari bohat si baaten inn per jawab'de hain aur inn k paas unn ki aik bhi daleel nahin sawae bad'zubani k jo shia qom ka wateera hai.
    Tamam Perhnay walon se emri bhi guzarish hai k waqai pooray topic ko perhein specially meri quote ki hui 2 sahih bukhari ki ahadees jis se saaf sabit hota hai k uss waq tfitna Madina mein mojood tha aur Aap ne ishara ayesha k ghar ki teraf k fitna k baray mein bataya...aur rushed sahab ki jhooti baaton aur topic se bhagnay ki na-kaam koshish bhi dekh lein k meri aik hadees quote ker k sab loagon ko bewaqoof samajh rhay hain...shayed unn ko pata nahi hai k kisi ko bhi bewaqoof nhi bunaya ja sakta jab k sab kuch unn ki aaknkhon k samnay hai aur iss ahadees mein present aur future terms use ki gaye hain aur ayesha k gha rhi ki teraf ishara tha tabhi nazdeek ka word yahan use kiya gaya )

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    Re: Sahih Bukhari Hadees

    Quote Originally Posted by mufti-e-azam
    Ali jan tum to aik fazool insan ho jis ko aqal use kerna na aati ho aur sirf copy paste kerna hi janta ho uss per mein time waste kerna mein apni tauheen samajhta hoon..jab tumhain aqal use kerna aa jaye to mujhay batana to mein tum se debate start ker lon ga...

    wo hasti ra jin ki ghod main rasool-e-ikram pbuh ka wisal hua our jis kay ghar per hujoor pbuh madfoon hain, us kay baray main shia kay najeba alfaj acha nahi lagtay.

    in my post you may all of you anwer, but i think you english is not good.


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